Why the flamer HT is not addressed in WBP?

Jump back to quoted post16 Dec 2016, 12:41 PMkingdun3284

It requires 20 second(which is even worse than now) to wipe a garrisoned mg42 even keep firing on it, I cant imagime how ineffective if you just wait for the DOT to clear out the garrisoned unit.

Jump back to quoted post14 Dec 2016, 03:37 AMkingdun3284

We are talking about balace, right?
Why do they nerf M20,M15 AA,M5 Quad, Luch and T70 in WBP while you can just keep your distance or build an ATG to prevent them from wiping your squad or counter them?

I would like to quote the reasons in WBP to nerf these unit.

M17 Quad:
"We wanted to tone down the performance of the Quad to be in-line with Light Tanks and other suppression platforms. In order to make infantry counters to this unit viable, the M17 can no longer suppress enemy squads on the move."from WBP

Just keep your distance man?

T70:
"We feel that the T-70’s high damage and AOE allowed it to wipe infantry too effectively, particularly if they are clumped in cover."from WBP

Just keep your distance man again?

The flamer HT's high damage and DOT also allowed it to wipe infantry too effectively particular if they are clumped in buildings and covers. lollll

The patch is too stupid, nothing to say more.

Jump back to quoted post16 Dec 2016, 08:16 AMEsxile

Which is a lie. You only have a chance to react if
a) Your hmg if above 75% of health.
b) your camera is actually screening the action. You could be managing anything else around for a couple of seconds making any action to save your squad too late.

Jump back to quoted post16 Dec 2016, 13:22 PMVipper

2 burst in WPB will probably leave the hmg with very little HP less than in live. Not sure what the problem is given the difference in cost and tec cost 251 should perform better than wasp.

Keep in mind that structure size is also a factor on how fast garrisoned units will die under flame attack. (in my test the wasp killed the HMG in 17 secs in WPB and 14 in live)

Being able to get out of the garrison does not mean that an hmg will also be safe anyway...

Jump back to quoted post16 Dec 2016, 15:10 PMkingdun3284

...just forget to tone down the 251 FHT as they still remember to further nerf WASP's anti-garrisoned ability.

Jump back to quoted post16 Dec 2016, 14:36 PMAustralian Magic

Not paying attention can be used for every unit, for example: I didnot see this T70 coming so I couldnt react fast enough to save my AT Gun from circling it to death.

Or I wasn't paying attention and I couldnt see this Centaur approaching my HMG42

You could make plenty examples like that.

Jump back to quoted post16 Dec 2016, 15:10 PMkingdun3284

First of all, thanks for proofing that its a nerf of WASP's anti garrisoned ability in WBP.

Jump back to quoted post16 Dec 2016, 14:36 PMAustralian Magic

Not paying attention can be used for every unit, for example: I didnot see this T70 coming so I couldnt react fast enough to save my AT Gun from circling it to death.

Or I wasn't paying attention and I couldnt see this Centaur approaching my HMG42

You could make plenty examples like that.

Jump back to quoted post16 Dec 2016, 17:25 PMEsxile

Since the t70 is getting nerfed so should be the 251ft...

Jump back to quoted post16 Dec 2016, 06:57 AMkingdun3284

I have tested, it's a nerf. Before the WBP, the WASP consumes about 16 seconds to completely wipe out a garrisoned MG42. However in the WBP, it consumes 20 seconds which already is the beginning of the third burst to wipe out a garrisoned MG42.

As a reference, FHT can wipe out a garrisoned MG42 within 10 second. Only 1HP is left on the MG team after the first burst.


Just... play the mod and come back to tell me with a straight face that UC's anti-garrison ability has not been nerfed.

Jump back to quoted post16 Dec 2016, 17:31 PMAustralian Magic

T70 is antieverything. FHT is only AI, almost no armor, etc etc

Jump back to quoted post17 Dec 2016, 08:07 AMEsxile

Sounds like Penal no? And Penals are getting also nerfed...

Why is it so difficult to admit 251FT should be part of the patch change? I'm not calling for a straight nerf, give it more armor vs small arm fire and reduce its damage.

Jump back to quoted post14 Dec 2016, 02:54 AMkingdun3284

Nerfing most of its counterpart and ally light vehicle to a nearly useless state but keep this squad wiper machine remain its lethality?What kind of balance is that?

Jump back to quoted post17 Dec 2016, 10:03 AMshake4parkinson

Miragefla has no problem beating it so he won't nerf it ofc.

Jump back to quoted post17 Dec 2016, 15:58 PMVipper

Can we stop questioning the motive of the people behind the patch and actively try to help them improve the game?

Jump back to quoted post17 Dec 2016, 16:17 PMshake4parkinson

Do they listen?

(hint: no.)