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The e8 use to have much less hp but it was buffed to 720. This is a discussion about the p4 not the 75mm Sherman which is a completely fine unit that doesn't need changes. The reason you don't see it as much is the change in meta where calliopes and pershings and jacksons have taken larger roles in usf play and going for a Sherman is often a weaker option.
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So far the general consensus is that they should buff the long range penetration, nerf the overperforming equivalents and lower the cost.
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the whole reason pershing and calliope were added is because the sherman just was not up to the task.
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The task of what? Carrying the usf late game? At this time usf late game was notoriously bad but it wasn't specifically because of the Sherman, it was a number of factors and units which contributed. Overall the Sherman filled its role as a medium tank quite well.
). They definitely don't need the Sherman for that with the state of the 57mm ATG, Jackson and Zookas right now, though I would rather the Sherman's AP shell at least stay effective enough such that flanking heavies is considered worthwhile for it.
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Imo it is the problem is that the unit holds no shock value and is too weak vs heavy TDS.
Su-76, Stuart/AT unit, ACE/AT unit or Crom remove any shock value of the units.
Alpha strike 8 sec kill from firefly and M36 sniping also shut it down even when vetted.
Reduce the effectiveness of this counters vs mediums and the unit will perform better
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Permanently BannedPzIV work with another stuf, which OST have. You cannot buf his AT role, without nerfing AI ability.
Dont make from PzIV super unit, making StugIII and Ostwind useless.
Nerfing all allies tanks, will mean unplayable late game.
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PzIV work with another stuf, which OST have. You cannot buf his AT role, without nerfing AI ability.
Dont make from PzIV super unit, making StugIII and Ostwind useless.
Nerfing all allies tanks, will mean unplayable late game.
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Lol, u mean cromwell, comet(like an undoc cheap, very fast tiger) nerf not need?
Or ostwind doing its job as AI comparing to same fuel price centaur?
U need think all arounded not one sided...
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PzIV work with another stuf, which OST have. You cannot buf his AT role, without nerfing AI ability.
Dont make from PzIV super unit, making StugIII and Ostwind useless.
Nerfing all allies tanks, will mean unplayable late game.
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Lol all mediums tanks are weak vs heavy TDS. Do ppls write buff t-34-76/sherman/cromwell vs JP ?
Its the problem with TDS compared to counter heavy tanks, thats why medium are bad vs them and its normal. Dont need change all game to make balance with unit who are fine.
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He is a 4v4 player. He always argues from that point of view. So in this sense of balance discussions, he misses the mark.
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The Su85 is fine...
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The Su-86 as many other heavy TD has very high accuracy especially at range 60 being able to hit and penetrate medium tanks at that range with almost 100% chance even when vetted...
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The Su-86 as many other heavy TD has very high accuracy especially at range 60 being able to hit and penetrate medium tanks at that range with almost 100% chance even when vetted...
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Tank Destroyers are supposed to be good at destroying tanks, that's all they do, and they are your best defense vs the big german felines.
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PzIV work with another stuf, which OST have. You cannot buf his AT role, without nerfing AI ability.
Dont make from PzIV super unit, making StugIII and Ostwind useless.
Nerfing all allies tanks, will mean unplayable late game.
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The reasons are simple:The way you word it it sounds like the StuG is the reason people dont build Panthers. But even if there was no StuG in the game, I wouldn´t build the Panther.
As an example Stug is so effective vs Supper heavy that there is little reason to invest in Panthers.
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Imo medium tank destroyer like the SU-76/stug should less effective vs hing end tanks and in the same heavy TD should less effective vs Medium.
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