Why patch should not overbuff/overnerf units anymore

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2016, 00:51 AMMr.Smith

This is an excellent test. I think that the reason this looks so bad is because of elevation. The change we introduced to the elevation-ignoring part makes it so that the projectile will not be "wasted" exploding short.

However, from the scatter pattern I can see in the video, the elevation does mess up with targeting and is causing it to scatter all over the place (i.e., much more than the nominal value). If you have enough time to test the following, it would really help us try to come up with a solution:
1. How would a live-version Stug-E perform at exactly the same spot (with the elevation)?
2. How does the mod-version Stug-E perform against conscript squads at the same distance, but on a completely flat terrain?

Once again, thanks for the time you have invested in it. I will try to investigate this as soon as possible.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2016, 01:12 AMCyanara

Ok, I just did a few tests myself. Videos will be edited in once uploaded. The 'good' news is that the live version appears to be just as broken, so it's probably not something you guys did yourselves. However, for that reason I can't understand why people think the live Stug-e is in any way good. I even tried attack ground and they still couldn't kill anything.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2016, 04:45 AMCruzz

Protip:

The stug E spawned by cheatcommands II is the wrong, singleplayer version of the unit. Use the commander ability list in the mod to give you the ability to call-in the proper one.

You can check that I'm not talking bull by bringing up the health monitor on a stug e in the mod through selection --> health --> display table. The singleplayer version is stug_iii_e_sdfkz_141_1_mp, the multiplayer version is stug_iii_e_sdkfz_141_1_commander_mp

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2016, 02:20 AMTric

Anything over a .5m offset does this FYI. He is on an elevated position compared to the infantry, so it is going to overshoot a ton, where as if he was lower on the .5m offset it would hit the ground or fire short.

This is the type of stuff that makes mapping insanely difficult, if the stugE does this, on that small of an incline... maps like Across the Rhine will be impossible to hit on.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2016, 04:45 AMCruzz

Protip:

The stug E spawned by cheatcommands II is the wrong, singleplayer version of the unit. Use the commander ability list in the mod to give you the ability to call-in the proper one.

You can check that I'm not talking bull by bringing up the health monitor on a stug e in the mod through selection --> health --> display table. The singleplayer version is stug_iii_e_sdfkz_141_1_mp, the multiplayer version is stug_iii_e_sdkfz_141_1_commander_mp

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2016, 00:51 AMMr.Smith

This is an excellent test. I think that the reason this looks so bad is because of elevation. The change we introduced to the elevation-ignoring part makes it so that the projectile will not be "wasted" exploding short.

However, from the scatter pattern I can see in the video, the elevation does mess up with targeting and is causing it to scatter all over the place (i.e., much more than the nominal value). If you have enough time to test the following, it would really help us try to come up with a solution:
1. How would a live-version Stug-E perform at exactly the same spot (with the elevation)?
2. How does the mod-version Stug-E perform against conscript squads at the same distance, but on a completely flat terrain?

Once again, thanks for the time you have invested in it. I will try to investigate this as soon as possible.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2016, 08:25 AMTittendachs

I will do some further testing with the right Stug E from CheatCommandMod II this evening
Thank you for taking time to explain it to me
By the way consider the AT-grenade to be on coodown when AT-partisans spawn from buildings... it's saves people who make the wrong tech descision and is simply too strong imo.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2016, 08:31 AMMr.Smith

Bear in mind that we do not want to change too many things at once. Changing everything at once will confuse the playerbase as to what we want them to be testing. This is because a broad mind lacks focus.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2016, 08:50 AMVuther

I dunno, I'm pretty sure women can be focused, judging by all the times' my mother's nagged me.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2016, 08:31 AMMr.Smith

Infiltration units, and partisans, in particular, are something we definitely want to look at. Unfortunately, not enough people stamped those issues out in the survey as high priority, thus we have to wait a bit for it. Hopefully for the new update of the balance preview mod.

Bear in mind that we do not want to change too many things at once. Changing everything at once will confuse the playerbase as to what we want them to be testing. This is because a broad mind lacks focus.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2016, 10:02 AMTittendachs

silly me thought AT-partisans and light vehicles is the same topic?! why would anybody look at these as seperate things to handle? you cant nerf light vehicles without adjusting their immediate counter units as well...

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2016, 08:31 AMMr.Smith

[...] This is because a broad mind lacks focus.

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2016, 00:21 AMNubb3r

That's one nice way to put it. What an adorable phrase. I think I will say this to my teammates from now on.

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2016, 00:48 AMVuther

I just read it's a 40K line. When I first saw it, I thought "Heh, sounds like a 40K line" but assumed my first instinct was wrong.