What's left to fix to have a fairly balanced game?

Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2016, 23:08 PMLeo251

I think the things to be balanced or fixed are:
1- Arty is being too powefull now. Specially Callipe and LandMatress. Its a garanteed wiped with zero effort and skill.
2- Double lmg. Should be only one.
3- 4men gren squad. Should be 5, and 280mp.
4- 222 should cost at least 10 more fuel.
5- T70 and stuart OP as hell at the beginning of the game. Ost has no proper way to counter them.
6- P4 and Panther for the OKW are a bit expensive. Should cost at least 10 fuel less.
7- Mortars too accurate. Specially USF one.
8- And last but not least, M10 and Cromwell are too good at running over inf.

Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2016, 23:20 PMStug life

Here is my take :

8- Cromwell yes, m10 no

Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2016, 23:32 PMPanzerGeneralForever

Uh you do understand that without using warspeed the M10 has better crushing abilities than the cromwell.

Cromwell acceleration: 2.6
M10 acceleration: 3.2

All other movement stats are the same.

Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2016, 23:46 PMStug life

it has less life and armor and is only at just 1 pfaust block it alone
Btw Cromwell is soo good when it tries to crush the squad clump up and the shells wipe it m 10 can't do that

Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2016, 23:46 PMStug life

it has less life and armor and is only at just 1 pfaust block it alone
Btw Cromwell is soo good when it tries to crush the squad clump up and the shells wipe it m 10 can't do that

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2016, 07:36 AMBlalord

As far as i know m10 and cromwell have exactly same hp and faust at 100%hp will not cause engin damage

Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2016, 21:12 PMTobis

They've got most of the non-doctrinal units in a good spot now, with only some minor changes required to specific units. (and major change needed on USF mortar)
Underpowered/Underused units in no particular order:
- Ostheer Ostwind
- m8 Scott
- british nades
- Churchill
- AT emplacement
- Flak-HT
- ISG(smoke)

I think these are probably obviously underperforming units that most people would agree need changes. There are plenty of other units that that people could pick out to be changed, but atleast they are fairly functional. Except for the ISG, these units are pretty much never seen, which is sad for non-doctrinal units.


Once those are done they can start working on the doctrinal stuff, but there is too much to name.

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2016, 10:46 AMCrumbum

M8 scott got good changes last patch and is actually quite decent atm I wouldn't say its underpowered at all, its just that shermans and Jackson take priority and are more safer choices which is why you don't see scotts very often.

British nades are ok its just that they don't fit well with the brit faction and tommies since you can't be very aggressive with them and have to sit in cover at longer ranges. Not to mention tommies have shite moving accuracy which discourages both aggressive movement and therefore nades are less of a necessity.

Churchill is a great damage sponge especially in comination with fireflies, it can do good vs infantry too but it tends to miss quite often, not a unit that needs a priority change imo.

By AT emplacement do you mean 17 pounder? 20 pop is ridiculous and its been established for a long time that it should be changed.

I agree with the flak ht and isg in need a buff, although the flak ht is not as bad as people think it is. The flak emplacement is something which seriously sucks.

As you said there are plenty more doctrinal units that need looking at *cough cough* m42.

• Decrease all explosive damage (especially mortars) against infantry
  
• Increase mortar damage against all structures and garrisoned units
  
• Decrease the accuracy of auto-fire
  
• Reduce the effectiveness of T70 and AEC
  
• Increase fuel cost for 222
  
• Decrease manpower cost for Obersoldatens
  
• Increase price or decrease effectiveness of T34/85 (too easy to achieve)
  
• Increase P4 effectiveness
  
• Remove double LMG upgrades from weapon racks
  
• Fix Raketenwerfers firing speed for the first shot

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2016, 10:46 AMCrumbum

M8 scott got good changes last patch and is actually quite decent atm I wouldn't say its underpowered at all, its just that shermans and Jackson take priority and are more safer choices which is why you don't see scotts very often.

British nades are ok its just that they don't fit well with the brit faction and tommies since you can't be very aggressive with them and have to sit in cover at longer ranges. Not to mention tommies have shite moving accuracy which discourages both aggressive movement and therefore nades are less of a necessity.

Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2016, 22:21 PMMr.Smith

Brit nade tech is also way too overpriced for what it offers (a short-range grenade for a squad that bleeds like a pig in short-range and can't flank for shit?). This means that nade tech is skipped 100% of the time, and Brits just go for a fast Cromwell.

- Just make nade tech cheaper (to make it a near-no-brainer) and throw the rest of the tech cost back into the mainline tech tree. You -want- to make Brits purchase the side-tech to delay their tanks.

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2016, 20:04 PMweld

Here is the question of the day and one that needs answering. Has Relic said or hinted that they may balance the game again? If not then this entire conversation is useless. I think honestly the game probably needs at least 2 more patches to be close to balanced, and Relic may not entertain the notion of throwing more money into a franchise that's not making them much money.
Sad, but true. :/

Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2016, 21:17 PMwouren

Making the comet/cromwell smoke ability less buggy. That's something from the top of my head.