Schwerer Flak Truck Balance ideas

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2016, 09:47 AMBrassatko

The only thing I saw consistently being shot down are the supply drops from Land Lease. IL-2s and P-47s seem to be less vulnerable to the FlakHQ, they still deliver most of their payload while under fire from it. The strafing runs from Tactical Support and such are directional, so just avoid the Flak.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2016, 11:03 AMAustralian Magic

Now, I would love to see some arguments why OKW should have abilities to kill planes with no investment.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2016, 11:37 AMBrassatko

Like explained before, both western front armies receive additional benefits for tech up. Do you see a specific reason why USF should receive a Lt, captain, major squad, vehicle crews then?

In return both factions have flaws like no flamers, mines, snipers, lack of early indirect fire and MGs (previously). Soviets and Wehrmacht were designed symmetrically, they both have all those tools available.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2016, 11:44 AMAustralian Magic

Ltn, Cpt and Mjr all eat population and need upkeep - Schwerer doesn't see. You see the difference?

Vehicle crew supposed to be feature for paper tanks.

Still, no reason for free Anti-Air.
Ltn, Cpt or Major don't prevent you from using commanders abilities. Schwerer HQ does.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2016, 12:00 PMBrassatko

So let's get rid of the free squads then since they are so hindering? Both factions benefit from tech-up is all I'm saying, obviously in different ways. The reasoning behind Panzer HQ is I assume is having a defensive structure that the faction needs more than others. Very few people opt for the Flak Halftrack because the unit is weak.

Your pop cap argument could also be applied to fighting pits then, right? OKW doesn't have those either. Oh, but the have the hopelessly overpowered Flak emplacements that cost pop cap.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2016, 12:22 PMKatitof

That would actually buff USF as they would get units they NEED and WANT instead of the ones they HAVE to get just because they teched.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2016, 12:00 PMBrassatko

So let's get rid of the free squads then since they are so hindering? Both factions benefit from tech-up is all I'm saying, obviously in different ways. The reasoning behind Panzer HQ is I assume is having a defensive structure that the faction needs more than others. Very few people opt for the Flak Halftrack because the unit is weak.

Your pop cap argument could also be applied to fighting pits then, right? OKW doesn't have those either. Oh, but the have the hopelessly overpowered Flak emplacements that cost pop cap.

OKW also doesn't have a single loiter ability outside of the Fallschirmjaeger drop, which does a small bit of suppression is why you wouldn't need it against them anyways.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2016, 11:44 AMAustralian Magic

Ltn, Cpt and Mjr all eat population and need upkeep - Schwerer doesn't see. You see the difference?

Vehicle crew supposed to be feature for paper tanks.

Still, no reason for free Anti-Air.
Ltn, Cpt or Major don't prevent you from using commanders abilities. Schwerer HQ does.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2016, 12:42 PMAustralian Magic

Removing Ltn, Cpt, Mjr is not that easy. It would require a small re-design.

Sure, let it be defensive structre, but again, I did not see any point why it should kill expensive air abilites? It's not like OKW doesnt have 251/17 or MG upgrade for tanks.

251/17 is not weak. It's overpriced but not weak.

WHat fightning pits? Flak emplacements? I did not know you MUST build them with tech, huh...

What's the point of bringing OKW air abilities? And OKW has one more loiter ability if you didn't know..

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2016, 13:11 PMBrassatko

Can't think of the other loiter you referred to, sry. My understanding is that Allies has Major recon, P47s, Strafes, drops..., Bombing runs what have ye. For the P47s and IL2s at least I'm pretty sure they absorb quite a lot of damage before they actually go down. In team games this might be a different story but there are simply more airborne threats to defend against in comparison to what they have available themself.

So it's giving Allies a headache not to be able to use all that stuff with impunity. That doesn't mean it is unbalanced as such. Make a decision if and when you use a drop. Maybe occupy the Flak HK with a tank meanwhile? Or take it out, it is not indestructible. It can as well become a liability in the wrong place where your pios are repairing it more than doing anything else.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2016, 12:42 PMAustralian Magic

Then check the one from goliath commander.

Major recon? Honestly.. I've used it like 3-4 times in my 2000 hours. P47? Strafes? Drops? What the hell? Axis dont have them? Or What? JU loiter, unkillable supply drops, Sector Assault. P47 and Sturmovnik cry in corner when compare to Axis' abilities.

Bombing run? 4x50kg bomb, more expensive, still way worse than 1x50kg dive bomb.

Imagine of Ostheer couldn't use JU or Recon loiters, just because I made a T4 tech for SU. The amount of salt would be insane.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2016, 13:24 PMAustralian Magic

Then check the one from goliath commander.

Major recon? Honestly.. I've used it like 3-4 times in my 2000 hours. P47? Strafes? Drops? What the hell? Axis dont have them? Or What? JU loiter, unkillable supply drops, Sector Assault. P47 and Sturmovnik cry in corner when compare to Axis' abilities.

Bombing run? 4x50kg bomb, more expensive, still way worse than 1x50kg dive bomb.

Imagine of Ostheer couldn't use JU or Recon loiters, just because I made a T4 tech for SU. The amount of salt would be insane.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2016, 15:18 PMZombiFrancis

I always thought the LT and Captain being a 1 man squad that merges into a riflesquad to make a 6 man LT/Cptn squad would have been a novel idea.

I did in one of my mods and thought it wasn't too crazy. (I'd wanted to have it work with team weapons too, but I couldn't get it to function exactly how I wanted it to.)

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2016, 18:35 PMVindicareX

Once again, this retarded argument is why this game remains imbalanced.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2016, 09:23 AMZyllen

i am for the reason that air planes that loiter are not an important staple of the allied arsenal and second the doctrines that have loiter units generally have arty or units that can quickly clear out an okw truck.

of the 3 usf doctrines that have loiter 1 has the calliope and the mechanised doctrine has arty at his disposale that has a good chance of 1 shotting the truck. only airborne is screwed,

Jump back to quoted post16 Aug 2016, 00:01 AMSmiling Tiger

The major has a recon ability so this isnt just a non doc issue it is an issue about how the much the Schwerer gun controls the other player. Think about it the Schwerer is a gun that cancels doctrinal abilities and it prevents flanking and it is a great suppression platform and it can damage medium armor all for no cost,pop cap or micro while the Major has a pop cap and is often just used as a retreat point and if his abilities are used the USF player must invest munitions and micro to use them. Also its uncommon for the Schwerer to be one shot by a single arty ability unless the other player gets lucky with RNG and the shells all land on the truck