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elchino7
29 Jul 2016, 19:56 PM
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I think the comparison is missleading as there are some difference in performance between autoattack and barrage.

81mm, 82mm, Grw 34 and 120mm mortars gets 106 and 140 AA range. Only the USF mortar used to have this and the rest were only for BARRAGE.
MHTs (USF/OH), Pack Howie and ISG* only benefits of an increase range on barrage on vet3.

*vet1 gives it +5 range

jump backJump back to quoted post29 Jul 2016, 15:00 PMdasheepeh

now little katitof takes pack howie shells and amazing barrage mode into account


Regarding the Pack Howie. Till it hits vet2, barrage mode shells are equal to auto attack shells. If you try to use the range on the pack howie barrage (shooting an enemy base into FoW), you'll find yourselves hitting 1/15 on the desired spot.
If the enemy has lots of units spread out, yeah you will be hitting something.
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elchino7
29 Jul 2016, 20:17 PM
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Complete list with range on indirect fire (excluding Howitzer n rocket arty).


If the changes were fair and logical (normal mortars didn't need to get AA increase range IMO), then the same changes should be done to both ISG and Pack Howie but that would be way too much cancer IMO.
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Firesparks
29 Jul 2016, 20:50 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post29 Jul 2016, 18:18 PMmiragefla


Regular shells, both auto and barrage, pretty well vs units in yellow cover because everyone clumps up. For some reason they have much less scatter than HEAT.

Of course if you get hit by HEAT in cover, you're probably dead. Obviously it's either RNG or you've moved the pack howie up closer.


relying on lucky ohk is a bad mechanic.

jump backJump back to quoted post29 Jul 2016, 19:56 PMelchino7

81mm, 82mm, Grw 34 and 120mm mortars gets 106 and 140 AA range. Only the USF mortar used to have this and the rest were only for BARRAGE.
MHTs (USF/OH), Pack Howie and ISG* only benefits of an increase range on barrage on vet3.


why are you using AA as an acronym for Automatic Fire?


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ZombiFrancis
29 Jul 2016, 22:45 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post29 Jul 2016, 20:50 PMFiresparks
why are you using AA as an acronym for Automatic Fire?


I would assume for Auto Attack?
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elchino7
29 Jul 2016, 23:00 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post29 Jul 2016, 20:50 PMFiresparks
why are you using AA as an acronym for Automatic Fire?


Auto attack is a more common term than automatic fire :P
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30 Jul 2016, 09:32 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post29 Jul 2016, 18:53 PMAustralian Magic


I don't see anything wrong with this.

I won engagement and now I'm trying to kill retreating squad.
We can say the same about retreating blob straight into Stuka zu fuss/katy/calliope/werfer barrage - same mechanism.


I just mean you don´t have to make direct hits. And with thaaat range you can fire it from safe distance
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Firesparks
30 Jul 2016, 09:33 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post29 Jul 2016, 23:00 PMelchino7


Auto attack is a more common term than automatic fire :P


except AA stand for Anti-air as well. My brain keep auto converting AA to anti-air.


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nee
30 Jul 2016, 12:52 PM
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anti-aircraft mortars. American Flak 88s?? Would probably be more balanced ;/

Seriously now, is the USF mortar fixed or what?
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elchino7
30 Jul 2016, 18:51 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Jul 2016, 09:32 AM__deleted__


I just mean you don´t have to make direct hits. And with thaaat range you can fire it from safe distance


Problem is, if you make use of the 160 or 220 something range, you won't hit your intended spot and just rely that he has units all over around his base. I think with some testing you could improved your chances since i think the barrage tends to overshoot so you can somehow compensate for that.
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