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20 Jun 2016, 21:29 PM
#41
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Jun 2016, 21:14 PMspajn


explain how a tank that always misses and shoots slow like a turtle is good at diving?
Because the fact that it might miss doesn't take away from the fact that it can attempt in the first place. It can survive attempts that would kill the vast majority of allied tanks and reach further then them as well. Not to mention DPS doesn't matter as much if you are chasing already damaged tanks.

You can mention it's weaknesses all you want, it doesn't make it's substantial strengths disappear.
20 Jun 2016, 21:37 PM
#42
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Doesn't Panther 1v1s any Allied medium tank destroyer?
20 Jun 2016, 21:43 PM
#43
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Doesn't Panther 1v1s any Allied medium tank destroyer?
Yes, the panther will beat every allied tank head-on except the IS-2.
20 Jun 2016, 22:21 PM
#44
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Am I the only one who thinks a tank whose weakness is low rear armor and that is supposed to dive into enemy lines (as in exposing your rear) is one big contradiction? If you use it as it´s supposed to be used you are at the same time risking to lose the unit.

The diving tank concept as some want to depict the Panther does not work versus competent players. And in my opinion that´s why the Panther is so unsatisfactory to use.
20 Jun 2016, 22:43 PM
#45
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Yes, the panther will beat every allied tank head-on except the IS-2.


Provided you sit still in order to actually have good accuracy.
20 Jun 2016, 22:57 PM
#46
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Jun 2016, 22:21 PMButcher
Am I the only one who thinks a tank whose weakness is low rear armor and that is supposed to dive into enemy lines (as in exposing your rear) is one big contradiction? If you use it as it´s supposed to be used you are at the same time risking to lose the unit.

The diving tank concept as some want to depict the Panther does not work versus competent players. And in my opinion that´s why the Panther is so unsatisfactory to use.
Diving is always risky, panther is just less risky then the other tanks. You think it's any easier for tanks that have low frontal AND rear armor?

Not to mention it has the speed to get in and out quickly, and doesn't really have to worry much about deflection.

Easy 8 and t-34/85 don't really have any of those things. Diving is much more risky for them.
20 Jun 2016, 23:22 PM
#47
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Provided you sit still in order to actually have good accuracy.


Implying the IS-2 is any more accurate on the move..

Wehraboo harder fanboy.
20 Jun 2016, 23:37 PM
#48
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Jun 2016, 22:21 PMButcher
Am I the only one who thinks a tank whose weakness is low rear armor and that is supposed to dive into enemy lines (as in exposing your rear) is one big contradiction? If you use it as it´s supposed to be used you are at the same time risking to lose the unit.

The diving tank concept as some want to depict the Panther does not work versus competent players. And in my opinion that´s why the Panther is so unsatisfactory to use.


Nope you are not.
I think the same thing.
For the cost, these things are quite useless.
Shit range, Shit reload speed, Shit damage against infantry and shit rear armour.
20 Jun 2016, 23:52 PM
#49
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jump backJump back to quoted post19 Jun 2016, 17:55 PMButcher
It´s good for nothing. Can´t tank since it has a mediums health pool, can´t be spammed since it´s one of the most expensive units in the game, can´t outrange a lot of units and can´t even out-dps a fucking Panzer IV.

Don´t build it.

The only-allied expert team is coming for you though since you proposed a buff to a German tank. Pretty tired of arguing against them again. Have fun.


Panthers are basically easy mode the tank destroyer, smoke, speed, range, health and vet 2 armour better than heavy tanks. It's cheaper than the comet and utterly destroys it 1vs1 stock, let alone once you gain vet (Comet vet gives you nothing but AI abilities and mobility in comparison).

Really the only downside is the meh reload and moving accuracy, but when you factor in the extra 10 range and 100% pen against allied tanks with the above points the unit is balanced.

Try the panther+command tank combo some time, spotting scopes too.
20 Jun 2016, 23:55 PM
#50
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decrease the panther range if you want better dps. -1 second reload in exchange for -10 meter.
20 Jun 2016, 23:58 PM
#51
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Jun 2016, 23:22 PMpoop


Implying the IS-2 is any more accurate on the move..

Wehraboo harder fanboy.


I never implied that the IS 2 had better accuracy, you are the one who brought it up. The IS 2 is a heavy tank that fires explosive shells that wreck infantry so if its accuracy was great on the move it could wipe squads like crazy (especially 4 man squads) while the panther is a medium who's shells have virtually no AOE and and its role on the battlefield is much more dedicated to TD rather than AI so it makes sense why its shells should be accurate otherwise the fact that its fast really doesn't matter to much during a fight but only when you are entering or leaving a fight because you have to keep stopping to have good accuracy.
21 Jun 2016, 00:05 AM
#52
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The IS 2 is a heavy tank that fires explosive shells that wreck infantry so if its accuracy was great on the move it could wipe squads like crazy (especially 4 man squads) while the panther is a medium who's shells have virtually no AOE and and its role on the battlefield is much more dedicated to TD rather than AI


Panther MG's do good damage to infantry, it's not like Firefly/Jackson/SU-85 TD's that can't kill infantry at all .

Panther is a hybrid role like the comet, but it does the AT role better with a little less AI.
21 Jun 2016, 00:06 AM
#53
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Your text..
jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jun 2016, 00:05 AMRollo


Panther MG's do good damage to infantry, it's not like Firefly/Jackson/SU-85 TD's that can't kill infantry at all .

Panther is a hybrid role like the comet, but it does the AT role better with almost no AI.
fixed for you
21 Jun 2016, 00:10 AM
#54
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Your text.. fixed for you

this meme has been debunked for a while




Now in the humble words of James Vardy
21 Jun 2016, 00:13 AM
#55
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jun 2016, 00:10 AMRollo

this meme has been debunked for a while




Now in the humble words of James Vardy

Aha it was already post by smith another video where unit are in cover guess who wiped the squad and guess who killed no one?
( now stop being bias and post the other video )
21 Jun 2016, 00:15 AM
#56
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aha yes you're right, the Comet shells will get stuck on map elevation half the time so they won't kill anything unlike the Panther MG's
21 Jun 2016, 00:16 AM
#57
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Aha it was already post by smith another video where unit are in cover guess who wiped the squad and guess who killed no one?
( now stop being bias and post the other video )


And also lets just forget that the panther needs a munitions investment to get that AI with the pintle while the comet needs no such upgrade and that the panther is more expensive and that its riskier to move close with a panther because it is more expensive.
21 Jun 2016, 00:18 AM
#58
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jun 2016, 00:15 AMRollo


aha yes you're right, the Comet shells will get stuck on map elevation half the time so they won't kill anything unlike the Panther MG's
ok fan boy time to call mr.smith
21 Jun 2016, 00:20 AM
#59
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And also lets just forget that the panther needs a munitions investment to get that AI with the pintle while the comet needs no such upgrade and that the panther is more expensive and that its riskier to move close with a panther because it is more expensive.

Wait whose Panther are we talkin' in this thread anymore, I'm confused.
21 Jun 2016, 00:20 AM
#60
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Yea you should probably wait for someone else to carry you out of the hole you've dug for yourself

I'm sure someone will ride to your rescue and fight for the all so desperately needed panther buffs :3
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