I dont think the main gun needs a buff. The armor of the Churchill should come up and its health should come down. Swapping those around keeps the churchill from feeding LOADS of vet as it does now, while still being the support tank for fireflys. Another issue that is being addressed (but isnt touch the armor/hp issue) is the cost. In the current meta, the churchill is simply to expensive for how it preforms and for how long it takes to repair.
As such the tank should take less of a meatshield role and more of a "shoot at this cuz it can sometimes do damage and is good vs infantry" with all of its armor. It would promote flanking the slow tank and could be easy to flank and have low rear armor to combo it.
Churchill is garbage
23 May 2016, 18:22 PM
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23 May 2016, 18:27 PM
#42
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The kv1 is a lot worst, it can only wish to be as rubbish as the churchill.
23 May 2016, 18:36 PM
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The kv1 is a lot worst, it can only wish to be as rubbish as the churchill.
That whole commander is rubbish after the triple nerfs it got.
23 May 2016, 18:52 PM
#44
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That whole commander is rubbish after the triple nerfs it got.
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23 May 2016, 20:14 PM
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Make it a Churchill Kangaroo guys. Then make it so you can reinforce out of it. Ultimate cheese.
23 May 2016, 23:18 PM
#46
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Well 320 armor and 1280 hp not doctrinal for only 180 fuel would be spammed like no tomorrow (and in biased right ?)
really, there's one golden rule in this case: can the panther beat the churchill 1v1.
the panther should still be able to kill the churchill on a 1v1 basis, but it should take a long time.
23 May 2016, 23:50 PM
#47
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Vanilla churchill is just too slow to be of use, even with the cost reduction its still 490mp 160f for a slower bulky cromwell that can't scratch or chase axis tanks (add another 50 fuel to that for unlock).
Yes you have enough HP to drive forward and nibble a few volk models and throw a grenade, then you reach a Jagdpanzer/Command panther and you lose it trying to reverse with the god aweful speed and useless smoke.
However the AVRE and the Croc are actually useful as you can warspeed away after wiping weapons teams, then you have Comets/fireflies backing them up with fog of war tracking.
Churchill is just a meme tank, anvil is a meme choice until heavy sappers lose the speed debuff and royal arty actually becomes relevant.
Yes you have enough HP to drive forward and nibble a few volk models and throw a grenade, then you reach a Jagdpanzer/Command panther and you lose it trying to reverse with the god aweful speed and useless smoke.
However the AVRE and the Croc are actually useful as you can warspeed away after wiping weapons teams, then you have Comets/fireflies backing them up with fog of war tracking.
Churchill is just a meme tank, anvil is a meme choice until heavy sappers lose the speed debuff and royal arty actually becomes relevant.
24 May 2016, 07:24 AM
#48
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I rember the video when the Churchill almost killed a tiger at close range 1 more shoot and it was dead
really, there's one golden rule in this case: can the panther beat the churchill 1v1.
the panther should still be able to kill the churchill on a 1v1 basis, but it should take a long time.
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24 May 2016, 08:03 AM
#49
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Lol,
The Churchill is so rubbish that someone has to bring up a time it almost won against something.
The Churchill is so rubbish that someone has to bring up a time it almost won against something.
24 May 2016, 08:10 AM
#50
Posts: 4474
Lol,well it can beat a every not heavy tank easily I was just pointing out that even if it cost less it could almost beat a tiger that cost 1/3 more
The Churchill is so rubbish that someone has to bring up a time it almost won against something.
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24 May 2016, 08:17 AM
#51
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It is meant to be a heavy tank yet has less armour than a light-medium with a single bulletin.
It is crap. Unused. A waste of space. Pointless. Inadequate. Useless. A waste of resources.
It is crap. Unused. A waste of space. Pointless. Inadequate. Useless. A waste of resources.
24 May 2016, 08:23 AM
#52
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It is meant to be a heavy tank yet has less armour than a light-medium with a single bulletin.
It is crap. Unused. A waste of space. Pointless. Inadequate. Useless. A waste of resources.
Hey smart ass if you would fucking look at my reply you would see that we were talking about the Churchill with 320 armor 1280 hp dat costs 160-180 fuel non doctrinal and not capped to 1, do you understand the implications ?
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24 May 2016, 08:27 AM
#53
Posts: 175
Hey smart ass if you would fucking look at my reply you would see that we were talking about the Churchill with 320 armor 1280 hp dat costs 160-180 fuel non doctrinal and not capped to 1, do you understand the implications ?
How would you make the churchill viable?
24 May 2016, 08:29 AM
#54
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240 armor 180 rear 1400 hp 160 fuel 490 mp if you want to spam rember the gun can still do this
How would you make the churchill viable?
or 320 armor 180 rear 1280 hp 180 fuel 560mp capped at 1 on the field
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24 May 2016, 08:40 AM
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I rember the video when the Churchill almost killed a tiger at close range 1 more shoot and it was dead
Too bad you don't remember it had 1600hp and 280 armor back then while Tiger had less pen.
And yeah, that is a 100% valid vid there, this is EXACTLY how we use tanks in game, we never use 45 range units at 45 range, because it makes no sense, we always use them at range of 2.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
24 May 2016, 08:43 AM
#56
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well 320 1280 would be the same result and I said close range and by your logic the su , Jackson, and firefly are opop and for 1 time instead of pointing out every little thing the others says how about you give your opinion on my suggestion or make your own ?
Too bad you don't remember it had 1600hp and 280 armor back then while Tiger had less pen.
And yeah, that is a 100% valid vid there, this is EXACTLY how we use tanks in game.
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24 May 2016, 08:57 AM
#57
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well 320 1280 would be the same result and I said close range and by your logic the su , Jackson, and firefly are opop and for 1 time instead of pointing out every little thing the others says how about you give your opinion on my suggestion or make your own ?
Idiotic usage of a tiger tanks is not a good argument
24 May 2016, 08:58 AM
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i was pointing out the potency of the gun
Idiotic usage of a tiger tanks is not a good argument
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24 May 2016, 09:01 AM
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Yeah. The potency drops with range.
24 May 2016, 09:02 AM
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Yeah. The potency drops with range.still quite potent for an anti infantry tank
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01 Apr 2025, 20:29 PM
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Lady Xenarra: Does anyone else think that USF needs buffs? It feels like they’re on life support sometimes
01 Apr 2025, 02:36 AM
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Willy Pete: @Rosbone Ahh I missed that memo. I still think its a bad decision though. Adds frustration for players and isnt gonna make them that much money
27 Mar 2025, 15:46 PM
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Rosbone: It is also good they left it free until after the free to play weekend. Points for that.
27 Mar 2025, 09:34 AM
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Rosbone: But I agree, the cost to get a full decent Coh game pushing $115 US is not the best idea. Especially when it needs so much more work for casuals.
27 Mar 2025, 09:32 AM
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Rosbone: To be fair, it was a thank you to early fans right? They said it was not free for long and it would become a pay DLC at some point.
27 Mar 2025, 09:30 AM
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Willy Pete: Re-releasing free DLC so they can charge new players money for it. Brilliant marketing strategy 
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Rosbone: Congrats to Relic. Looks like Coh3 has finally usurped Coh2 s the popular Coh. You smell terrific. 
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24 Mar 2025, 02:46 AM
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Nickbn: and again someone else replies. I mean come on guys. Give @adamírcz a chance
22 Mar 2025, 14:00 PM
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Nickbn: @Rosbone it's incredibly rude to speak on someone elses behalf, especially when a question is directly adressed to them. I understand your passion for the subject at hand but I want to hear from him.
20 Mar 2025, 10:16 AM
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Rosbone: @Nickbn No, I am just saying people should not be using any Relic owned forum since they have proven they ban anyone who says true things about Coh3.
18 Mar 2025, 19:01 PM
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Nickbn: @Rosbone do you speak on his behalf? I didn't know. In that case keep us updated please.
18 Mar 2025, 16:47 PM
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Rosbone: @Nickbn True except, the only people on the Relic Discord/Reddit/Steam are brain washed monkey zealots. They wont even understand what @adamírcz is talking about. Anyone else is banned.
16 Mar 2025, 17:54 PM
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Nickbn: @adamírcz might be a better idea to voice this to relic directly than to voice it here, in a shoutbox of a nearly deade fansite #justsaying...
16 Mar 2025, 16:36 PM
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adamírcz: So, I just got a leaver penalty without even getting onto the loading screen because of the game disconnecting, bravo Relic
14 Mar 2025, 10:45 AM
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Rosbone: It is an indicator of the very short sighted capitalist view that plagues any company where leadership does not understand the product.
13 Mar 2025, 20:00 PM
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Rosbone: They dont care about Coh3 or Coh in general. They are just trying to grab cash by ripping off the small user base they have.
13 Mar 2025, 19:58 PM
13 Mar 2025, 19:58 PM
Rosbone: It is clear they crapped out an unfinished game. And are now barely supporting it as they make new smaller games. Coh3 is stillborn. It will be meh for at least another 2-4 years. Meaning they killed the whole franchise instead of growing it.
13 Mar 2025, 19:56 PM
13 Mar 2025, 19:56 PM
Rosbone: If I did play coh3 and was mainly a skirmish player, I would be pissed and probably stop playing. And it has been like this since release. Why? I would not tell my friends to buy a game I am not even playing. Lost sales and angered users.
13 Mar 2025, 19:53 PM
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Rosbone: I am just saddened how Relic keeps hurting themselves by not fixing 5 minute things like menus. Why anger users with stuff that could be fixed in minutes???
13 Mar 2025, 19:50 PM
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Rosbone: I was wondering why people think I was raging. I think it was when I said "because coh3 sucks so bad". That was not my opinion. Just a general feel from top players/streamers. I dont play Coh3 and have NO opinion of it.
13 Mar 2025, 19:48 PM
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OKSpitfire: You can rage as often as you like btw, you usually manage to make it pretty funny.
12 Mar 2025, 11:18 AM
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Rosbone: So it was a systemic failure across multiple disciplines and check points.
12 Mar 2025, 04:30 AM
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Rosbone: Knowing how companies work, I imagine a new hire making the menus. The API they are using is complicated and things were hard to figure out. But at some point QA or management should have addressed these things. Usually within 6 months of starting.
12 Mar 2025, 04:29 AM
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Rosbone: @theekvn I dont hate Coh3 or Relic. I just dont understand how you work on Coh3 for like 7 years and the menu system is worse than if a Programming 101 student made it. Feel free to explain it to me.
12 Mar 2025, 04:07 AM
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theekvn: KT just need fuel debuf from 15% to 50%, Ele arc of fire- aim time improve and they are good to go
12 Mar 2025, 03:59 AM
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theekvn: and please Rosbone,I know you hate Coh3 to the bone due to your drama with relic, Still, Can you give a proper point of view instead of raging ?.
12 Mar 2025, 03:54 AM
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KoRneY: @aerafield It's possible that it is underpriced for what it is capable of now, no need to go full retard and take it immediately as a massive problem. It costs 60 more MP than a pz.3 and in 2v2 the barrage can be quite strong.
07 Mar 2025, 19:14 PM
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OKSpitfire: I do like that they made the Stuka more expensive instead of nerfing it into the ground though. Found it pretty unsatisfying to use before that buff a while back....
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aerafield: USF already is by far the shittiest faction in terms of countering blobbing and turtling, now they supposedly have one overtuned tool locked behind a BG and it's immediately a massive problem?
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Lady Xenarra: I think post-2.0 Whizbang buffs, the price is too low esp since the Stuka got nerfed in cost too. Speaking of which, how exactly is one supposed to successfully dive this Sherman in disguise? Med tank spam running into SSFs?
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OKSpitfire: A powerful, doctrinal unit that outperforms stock stuff? Colour me shocked! 
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Lady Xenarra: WTB Whizzbang for DAK instead of Stuka, 5 fuel cheape, 60MP more expensive and next to impossible to dive. 
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Rosbone: It is also hard to expect Relic to help Coh2 when they cant even make working menus in Coh3 yet, 2 years after release and at full price+ for DLCs. Thats like asking a fish to do calculus.
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