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You know what they say .... trolls of a feather spam together. Isn't it past your bed time chicken troll ?
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SU85 is fine as it is. Dr.Octogon and StephennJF said it very well.
The problem is german players still go for Panzer IV(s) even when they know SU85 is coming or even when it is on the field already. That is just plain bad countering! (Even though PIV can possibly outmaneuver SU85 because of its slow rotating speed, but still, SU85 is SUPPOSED to counter medium armor.)
If you keep spamming a medium tank every game, any decent player will just build apropriate counter unit every game. So surprising and outrageous right? How dare they even do that!
SU85 is absolutely god awful against infantry. If you see SU85 and go for ifantry instead, the russian player just wasted huge amount of resources on tier 4 building and SU85(s) that won`t do anything. Plus Panzergrenadiers with schreks absolutely tear apart SU85s (and many other units...).
Then there is smoke to block its line of sight etc. but that is secondary.
Someone told me: "Yeah, but my infantry is getting killed by the sniper(s)." Well that may be the case, but then the question is not what to do about the SU85 but what to do about the sniper(s). And in this case I am inclined to agree with ppl who say snipers - on both sides - in general are OP (a unit that can insta-kill any infantry, has long range and cloak on friggin tier 1?? - I wouldn`t mind snipers being general-specific call in units with 4 or 5 command points requirement for example, but that`s OT).
Anyway, seems like german is the new protoss - just qq-ing about how everything is OP and their faction so terribly underpowered in comparison.
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Are you that daft ....
panzer gren squads are SLOW SU85 can REVERSE FASTER THAN ANY GERMAN TANKS FORWARD SPEED and you think they wouldnt simple reverse outta the way and send in shocks/maxims/conscripts/snipers to force you to retreat those shrek squads ?
Finally ... snipers on BOTH sides op? LOL do you even play germans ... do you know how ridiculously fragile the one man German sniper is ? The Russian 2 man sniper can counter snipe the German one all day long due to the 2 man advantage.
Also Russians have 6 man squads which means the German sniper is even less effective.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7O0KEqStHM
Not my video, but it shows the problem quite well.
- Problem is not only the range and reverse speed of the Su-85
- At vet 2 it 2shots StuGs making those not viable at all
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The su85 should not 2 shot stugs at vet 2, that's a balance problem that could simply be fixed by buffing the stug but you have to also keep in mind the stugs purpose; is it supposed to be a counter to the su85?
I agree the su85 needs to be toned down w out a question, but the video proves nothing new and if balance is based around who spends more manpower than a lot of people will stop playing. It's like posting a video of a guard squad and 2 conscript squads blobbed head on into a mg42 than crying the mg42 is op because a 240 manpower unit chewed up 840 manpower with out breaking a sweat and it that case the mg42 wouldn't even require micro.
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can mg42 reverse away from a flanking attack while still getting shots off ?
the question is not about the su85 killing stuff headon ... its the fact that it can reverse away warp speed from any flanking attack unless the guy is a total n00b which makes flanking su85's almost pointless with its speed.
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I agree the su85 needs to be toned down w out a question, but the video proves nothing new and if balance is based around who spends more manpower than a lot of people will stop playing. It's like posting a video of a guard squad and 2 conscript squads blobbed head on into a mg42 than crying the mg42 is op because a 240 manpower unit chewed up 840 manpower with out breaking a sweat and it that case the mg42 wouldn't even require micro.