T34/85 vs Tiger meta was the best

Jump back to quoted post17 Apr 2016, 19:23 PMCookiezNcreem

Isnt boring and repetitive something you dont want? it was fun for like 10 games max. it RAPIDLY got to the point where winning just because I could stall behind some sandbags, build 120mm paintraininstawipe and guards, and then float MP so I can pop out the Red Banner flottila of t3485 reinforcements,(and if im winning, pop out a SECOND pair not much later.) got so utterly, utterly old.

Losing to it was the exact same way. Some of my most blood pressure inducing moments were playing that meta as Ostheer.



whats the difference?

Teching to T3/T4 as germans, or even LULZIER, being resource penalty OKW vs guard motor soviet.....god bless the okw player.

; simply getting ONE tank was much more expensive than just stalling one SET of 85s, and as I said before in this post, by 22 mins if you didnt tech at all besides T1T2, meant another pair was coming, as they used to cost what 245 fuel a pair? Calling in your first set usually left you with 130-140, maybe less if you were struggling a bit. How was that fair at ALL when all ostheer had was like a stug or two(which went down nigh instantly to mark vehicle, old stug HP , and OKW had a panther/jp4?(which also got deleted by mark vehicle)

It goes against basic coh core(or what I think is coh core) which is do well in your engagements, take map control so you can tech and then build better stuff than your opponent can and win.

Not simply STALL and get better stuff than your opponent thats clearly outplaying and outteching you, and then win more often than not. Yes it was possible to punish a staller, but that still doesnt mean the meta wasnt ass.

Jump back to quoted post17 Apr 2016, 19:06 PMGiaA

He will also have lost the game at the 10 min mark which goes to show that even the very few options players have only exist on paper.

Jump back to quoted post17 Apr 2016, 19:40 PMDullahan

Hardly.

Jump back to quoted post17 Apr 2016, 19:35 PMGiaA

Well you're using your own experience as an argument right here which is okay but honestly you shouldn't draw any balance conclusions from it. When looking at high level soviet vs wehr matchups from early-mid 2014 you will notice that the balance was actually pretty decent. One would argue that soviets might have been slightly easier to handle while wehrmacht peaked a little higher in overall faction strenght when in the hands of an extremely competent player like Jesulin but that's up for debate and I don't have any stats on it.

Jump back to quoted post17 Apr 2016, 18:46 PMGiaA

Yes it was, the game during that time wasn't just a conistent flow of small to medium engagements like it is today. It had highs and lows, ranging from extremely intense tank battles to slow sort of "build up" phases.
The games I've seen from the ESL cups didn't have such a dynamic. There were small engagements all over the map throughout the entire game and at some point one player managed to get a small advantage and overcome his opponent.

Also the map issue is just as prevalent as it used to be.

Jump back to quoted post17 Apr 2016, 18:18 PMAerohank

No thanks. Back in those days 75% of all units and commanders were useless. The game is a lot more varied and fun now.

Jump back to quoted post17 Apr 2016, 19:45 PMGiaA

Well assuming the players are skilled equally it is basically a self inflicted death sentence for the US player.

Jump back to quoted post17 Apr 2016, 17:58 PMGiaA

tbh teching is a mere formality in coh2, it's there but it doesn't really promote decision making nor does it serve any other important purpose.

Jump back to quoted post17 Apr 2016, 18:18 PMAerohank

No thanks. Back in those days 75% of all units and commanders were useless. The game is a lot more varied and fun now.

Jump back to quoted post17 Apr 2016, 21:00 PMThunderhun

You wut?

Fun & variety?? Lets see:

Sov - Must have a call-in infantry and tanks (motor, shock rifle, isu, leand lease)...much fun with a crappy stock army

Maxims into call-ins, it is indeed fun after the 10th game

USF - Hmmm....this one is even better, go rifles every game, then get M1919/Bars blob up, go Calliope/Pershing.

Try to hunt down retarded ost sniper

Lovely


Britz - My gosh, where to begin...oi! They are the cancer of this game with Okw. Ez pz getting Land-Mattress/croc/cancer pit/cancer regiment with an army of comets or cromwells


OKW - Brit's Being a bitch with Kübel + Sturm in early game, then making the shreckblobofA-move --> luchs or quick p4, sometimes a few isgs.

Ostheer - P4 command tank or a Tiger with Stug-es sitting behind an army of lmg grens, a OPsniper and pak wall.


Oh...and the RNG momments, squad wipes, door mines.

Is it fun? Show Spoiler

Its balanced and somehow playable at some points, but one of the most unfun meta we've had so far.

Jump back to quoted post17 Apr 2016, 21:10 PMsiuking666

Guard motor, Shock Rifle call in abuse? No thanks. gtfo

Jump back to quoted post18 Apr 2016, 01:26 AMMistah_S

You have no idea how many scrubs I've come across that do this. Or Maxim spam...
I can barely do a thing as OKW against this trat

Jump back to quoted post18 Apr 2016, 01:55 AMTobis

The month before they dropped the giant shit of WFA on the game was the most balanced the game has ever been. They finally fixed all the March deployment problems and the Ostheer versus Soviets meta was varied and fair. Even t1 builds were practical.

The game is better now, no denying it, all the changes to teching and pacing have improved the game. Balance was still best between 2 armies created opposing each other though.

Jump back to quoted post18 Apr 2016, 01:43 AMsiuking666

maxim/sniper spam into Guards, build a couple of ZiS to hold off Panzer IV.

Guard motor? Build 2 120mm instant wipe mortars
10CP? Call in 4-6 T34/85 for maximum abuse.

Shock Rifle? KV8 + 2x IS2 for another type of maximum abuse.

No tech as Ostheer almost means you're screwed. Yet even if you tech up, a Panzer IV isn't gonna help against IS2 or T34/85

Jump back to quoted post18 Apr 2016, 02:01 AMVuther

And then free trucks drove into Allied infantry so they autolose firefights, providing one of the weirdest balance issues I've ever seen in my gaming career.

Jump back to quoted post18 Apr 2016, 02:01 AMVuther

And then free trucks drove into Allied infantry so they autolose firefights, providing one of the weirdest balance issues I've ever seen in my gaming career.