Do you like new patch?

Jump back to quoted post11 Jul 2013, 12:58 PMhubewa

I kinda feel a bit strange about this patch.

There were a lot of problems with the maxim crew including setup and crew-size.

The set-up has been fixed.

However, Relic seems to have felt that they wanted to keep their 6 man squads so much that, in order to preserve the squad sizes, they decided to make MGs and mortars 4 man crew as well.

The problem is - it's a lot harder to punish MGs that have been flanked. And the issue of support units being able to act as viable combat units will still exist I think.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jul 2013, 16:25 PMsolidgamertv

I played for a good 4 hours yesterday and I still haven't really formed a complete conclusion if I like the changes or not. To be honest I haven't felt to big of an impact and I think thats a good thing. Small changes are the right way to go until the next balance patch.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jul 2013, 07:12 AMrofltehcat

Team games are a lot harder to balance than 1v1s. I still don't think Soviets are weaker in team games other than when both Ostheer players spam Opels and strafe.
The soviet tech trees and doctrines can work very well together between two or more players whereas the Ostheer players are basically each just doing the same stuff like in a 1v1.

In the end it comes down to what people expect what formats balance should be for. I think I'd prefer 1v1 balance over team game balance. Of course extreme imbalances in team matches need to be fixed as well (Opels, strafe).

Jump back to quoted post11 Jul 2013, 07:28 AMBartonPL

i dont like this new patch, i think everyone will agree

Jump back to quoted post11 Jul 2013, 06:49 AMUGBEAR

nice patch, 80% German Vs. 20% soviet in 2v2, please nerf soviet, there's still 20% left to be nerfed

Jump back to quoted post11 Jul 2013, 11:24 AMbummbummbamm

IMO those changes went wrong way :

- russian mortars - they had good dmg and its ok its a mortar - the problem was with killing those mortar squads - i think lower squad would be ok - good dmg but some risk with loosing mortar - that what should be changed

now it seems they will be useless

- those russian and german halftracs - i know many ppl rage about they r op etc but imo there was a fair balance between their dmg and possibilites to kill them.What i would do is in first place made them cost much more fuel etc and (u can start rage) made them a bit stronger. Why ? becouse then we would have an option to go strong unit vs infantry but with higher cost of fuel it would force u to be late with tanks and for other hand it would make some different ways - haftracs and strong early or pure infantry into tanks with strong mid/late all with some risk but still with making some decision. What i hate now is like every game starts the same - infantry into tracks and both russian and ger do the same and basicly both r destroyed by at nades or shrecs or w.e u call it.

About su85 - im like - ye its strong as fck but again i rather to see they make those su85 cost more, rather then make them weaker becouse the problem with su85 is (range for sure) and timing when its show up.

Su85 is the only AT Tank available in mid game, at guns sure t34 sure, both are weak counters. At gun read its description and some how it bounces more shots then it should. German tanks are strong and each tank or vehicle across the board has very specific roles. think soviet tanks need a bit help, perhaps buff t34 a bit and make su85 cost more. su85 seems to be most often called out tank response to german p4 spam or panzers

Jump back to quoted post11 Jul 2013, 17:17 PMCombatMuffin

I am also confused about 4 man crews, its hard enough to perform a successful flank, the metagame right now is more about "bring a more powerful unit head on, forget flanking".

Its only been 48 hours though. Any conclusions on the patch are hasty, at best.

Haven't tried the German Scout Car after changes. Any comment son that one?

Jump back to quoted post12 Jul 2013, 03:40 AMWarMonkey

scout car is nice now. with or without upgrade does about the same damage to infantry (key it to keep it outside AT nade range and have a gren or something pushing on a flank) upgrade seems to give no increased damage except armor pen so it can hurt light vehicles.

i almost always buy it now for early harass and scout

• M3 Scout Car and 222 Scout Car changes are welcomed changes.
  
• Ostheer 4 man pak40 and 4 man mortar increase survivability against both snipers and general attacks.
  
• Increase fire rate of the Ostheer mortar as it provides a great alternative to tackle with heavy conscript or maxim based stratergy, especially when they are utilizing buildings a lot.
  
  

• MG42 4 man crew further increases its ability to repel flanks and is unrequired, just return in back to 3 man crews. I have been saying it since alpha, please increase the damage of all small arms rifle fire so that flanked support units and units out of cover are punished harder and faster. In my mind 2 conscripts with a flank on a gren and mg42 should win the engagement, however this is rarely the case as MG42 pack, unpack and then fire extremely quickly again in response. Without an increase to small arms fire, my solution would be increase the pack up time of the MG42 so molotovs do more damage and a flanked unit is punished.
  
• Soviet nerfs on mortars makes no sense as they were actually quite ineffective as they were last patch. Furthermore, it amplifies the strength of MG42's as mortars are weaker and the effects of flanking are weaker. I feel now the only way to breach well played 2-3 gren/2 mg based play is with M3 flamers/snipers or stall to T70. I feel flanking is never rewarded how it should be and early game Soviet indirect fire does not break MG positions well.
  

Jump back to quoted post12 Jul 2013, 04:15 AMNullist

Short and sweet patch. Issues remain but as Pqumsieh just said on his stream (which is live atm, go watch!):

-Strafing run should not be pinning on retreat, and he is aware of the problem.
-Hell look into whether the Stug got the previously forgotten AoE buff.

He said he prefers making changes in small increments, and then adjusting if necessary, which I think is a good perspective to practice.