Let's talk about ostheer.

Jump back to quoted post11 Mar 2016, 16:36 PMAerohank

Panzergrenadiers are great AI units right of the bat. A Panzergrenadier squad will beat a 2x BAR riflemen squad at medium range and under. From what I see from replays, people often just don't use them the right way. People often use panzergrenadiers as if they were SMG troops, trying to get them as close as possible to the enemy before stopping to open fire. This is simply not how you use them. They will drop models on approach and you will not have the models left to inflict damage. Instead, you should just stick them behind some cover at medium range and watch them do their magic.

Jump back to quoted post11 Mar 2016, 23:59 PMBulgakov

1 T70 will beat 2x 222.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2016, 01:57 AMGreenDevil

PGrens beating 2 x BAR riflemen at medium range and under. No chance buddy.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2016, 02:25 AMVuther

Pretty sure they do if the vet's anywhere near equal. This being the case at all is of course, hardly a guarantee in practice.

Jump back to quoted post11 Mar 2016, 23:59 PMBulgakov

My comparison is higher tier vs lower tier.


Elchino made a good point.

1 T70 will beat 2x 222. Equal skill equal micro. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2016, 03:23 AMFiresparks

222+ gren can actually handle a t70 pretty well. the 20mm can pen the rear of the t70 consistently, so a t70 will die pretty quick to a 222.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2016, 01:57 AMGreenDevil

PGrens beating 2 x BAR riflemen at medium range and under. No chance buddy.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2016, 03:26 AMBulgakov

That's plus gren. Why add that into the equation?

I could say t70 with maxim can beat 222 + gren.

But that's irrelevant. The point is that a higher tier unit can be expected to beat a lower tier unit. Tech cost + time delay + reinforce all mean that the unit should perform better than a unit that comes earlier with a lower cost.

Obers can be expected to beat a Brit Inf Section and it makes little sense to complain about that.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2016, 20:59 PMAustralian Magic

I have a feeling like current Ostheer is unplayable in 2s.

I had few 2v2 after hotfix agasint very good opponents and the scenario in always the same.

Insane struggle in early game leading to heavy VP bleed, slowly recapturing territory, getting to the late game, seems like we are going to make amazing comeback, losing by VP (becasue of early game bleed).
I could get 2 Grens to 1700% efficiency, sniper with 50kills, Command Pz4 that survives 8500dmg, double vet 3 HMG but in the end, USF blob with Brits support or maxim spam is always on top of that.

You micro your ass like fuck and yet you still have hard time againt a-move blobs.

OKW is free from this but OST... Garedn me..

Jump back to quoted post11 Mar 2016, 17:25 PMMyself

2 riflemen no bars....

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2016, 21:56 PMzerocoh

Next time don't sit around all game waiting for tiger. get flakpanzers or panzerwerfer and you are good.

Ost might not be "broken" as the other factions, but they are the strongest by far, only fanboys would not agree with this.

most times I play ost I don't even pick commanders since they have everything from the get go.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2016, 21:56 PMzerocoh

Next time don't sit around all game waiting for tiger. get flakpanzers or panzerwerfer and you are good.

Ost might not be "broken" as the other factions, but they are the strongest by far, only fanboys would not agree with this.

most times I play ost I don't even pick commanders since they have everything from the get go.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2016, 22:25 PMKreatiir

2 Bars no riflemen

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2016, 22:58 PMVuther

Why fight when you can drink?