Panther Armour

Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2016, 22:10 PMStug life

panther is dedicated tank hunter with mg become decent vs inf
comet is generalist will deal damage to armor and inf alike
stop doing comparison
hue hue my generalist lost to a tank hunter

Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2016, 22:27 PMwhitesky00

well some people believe that allied vehicles could flank and win this tank hunter. i disagree and this is where this conversation got to. in reality, there's nothing to balance here.

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2016, 00:07 AMRedT3rror

Try to repel a Panther (2-3) rush with USF and you will think twice about your statement.

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2016, 00:17 AMGumboot

Don't suppose we can close this thread? So far off topic now and its not coming back.

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2016, 00:32 AMferwiner

allied player who is smart enough to know that zook blob hardcounters panthers

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2016, 00:50 AMRedT3rror

.... seriously, with one volley of 10 bazookas you do a whopping 425 damage! What a counter!

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2016, 01:10 AMJadame!

Next thing we gonna learn that crappy soviet at guns from urban defense hard counter kt. Just gotta spam 20 of them.

And then there comes terminator obers who fnished with zook blob.

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2016, 01:44 AMJadame!

Well and we have our own problem with panthers. Panther is RNG BS tanks, sometimes it misses 5 shots in a row, sometimes it survives frontal engagment with 2 t34-85s in point blank range with less than 1/3 health at the begining

I always ram panthers to finish them with 34-85s when unsure about result, it safest bet to get rid of it, besides ram helps to catch up with blitzing panther.

Obviously, any infantry-based AT is good deterrent factor against panther, but its not gonna kill it untill panther decides to stand in front of 3 at guns (and they will bounce half of their shots anyway), but in tanks engagements it as close to being unflankable as it gets.

To sum it up, panther is not ultimative tank, but it kinda imbalanced from lack of side armor, and cause huge amount of frustration from miracle RNG sometimes. But then again i hate how inaccurate panther on the move (but, to be fair, command panthers mark target neglects that weakness).

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2016, 00:50 AMRedT3rror

.... seriously, with one volley of 10 bazookas you do a whopping 425 damage! What a counter!

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2016, 16:04 PMwhitesky00

I try not to say anything pro-Allies neg-Axis just because all the pro-Axis players will jump on and nitpick anything you say...

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2016, 18:28 PMMyself

There is a difference between stating an opinion like "Imo Panther is too fast", and claiming things that are simply not true like "allied tanks can not keep up with the Panther".

One is entitled to his opinion, one should also check his facts before posting them as facts...

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2016, 18:40 PMHans G. Schultz

Well, because the discussion is now about the panther being to hard to counter, has anyone actually tried flanking behind it while it's assaulting a position? If you can't get behind it, then either the map sucks, or there's some invisible magic wall preventing you from flanking around.

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2016, 19:16 PMwhitesky00

I believe you are correct. It still sort of related to the armor though. As the panther retreats, it's frontal armor allows it to escape via RNG.

Sure, I believe you can flank a panther. I just think that it can still retreat favorably and justifiably so because it has a heavy fuel cost.

As for RedTerror's comment: If the enemy has 2-3 panthers, that must be very heavy late game or of course team games in which case it is difficult to outmanuever. However, I'm sure someone will jump in and say team games don't matter so that's why I look at the unit more or less from a 1s or 2s point of view.

The other small thing I notice while playing is that vehicles ordered to move forward sometimes roll backwards for 1 sec before going forward again. I believe this happens to all vehicles in all factions and I'm not exactly sure why it happens.

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2016, 18:34 PMwhitesky00

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Again, show me a cromwell/comet chasing a panther where cromwell/comet surpasses panther AND beats it. Most likely by the time the crom/comet has caught it to the panther, it's dead. Next!

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2016, 18:14 PMStug life

http://www.stat.coh2.hu/weapon.php?filename=m9_bazooka_mp
redo math class

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2016, 22:37 PMPutinist

Technically he actually did. If all of them were fired on panthers (vet0) front armor, and all of them hit, 37,5% pen chance (120/320) gives 0,375x10 shots x 80 dmg (=300 penetrating shots) + 0,625x10x20 (=125 deflection) = 425 damage on avarage.

Of course that's disregarding any RNG, as well as one's obviously doing it wrong if firing zooks at panthers front armor.