Useless unit list which need to be changed

Soviet: Faction with most terrible units
Penal(Poor combat performance)
M3 Scout Car(Slow tech, but first tier cost less fuel so it's arguable)
Katyusha(Can't kill a single thing before they get away)
T3476(Come out too late)
SU85(Low penetration)

M42 ATgun(become obsolete quickly)
B4(RNG dependence)
IL2(Poor performance)



USF: Somewhat better, but still have several holes, mostly in commander.
50Cal(become obsolete quickly)
M8HMC(Come out too late)

Sherman Bulldozer(Same as Brumbar)
Greyhound(Poor combat performance)
Recon Airborne(High cost)
WC51(Slow down tech)
M3 HT(Low survivability)



British: Average
17 pounder(Eat up too many fuel and pop)
25 pounder(Too weak in performance)

Sexton(Too weak in performance)
Valentine(Too late)



Wehr: The faction with best designed units so far
Brumbar (Poor performance compare to weefee)



OKW: Hardest to find unit with weak role
Flak HT (Cost too much fuel)

Hetzer flamer(become obsolete quickly, in terrible commander)
Flak Emplacement(hit the ground)



Will try to update if another useless unit is spotted.

The M3 halftrack for the mechanized commander is pretty useless.

Grens are fine? What makes you think they need to be changed?

Su85 is actually OP with its stock maphack ability and ROF
Penals are on par with USF RM

M8 doesn't suck because it comes too late, it just sucks. if they made it into a midgame unit that would just leave USF with no late game indirect.

It's problem is that it's been nerfed to shit. Even when it did more damage it was inferior to actual late game indirect units like the katyusha. It's way too micro-intensive with too little reward.

It needs a range buff or at very least a health buff, because I don't think relic wants to give it back it's squad wiping potential.

Su85 is actually OP with its stock maphack ability and ROF
Penals are on par with USF RM

OKW: Hardest to find unit with weak role
Flak HT (Cost too much fuel)

What.
I love the Flak HT, it's my most favourite unit when playing OKW.
It's like a suppressing and more defensive Luchs. You just have to mikro it a bit and keep in mind of the aiming time bug, but otherwise I love that thing.

Lol. Flame hetzer is not obsolete.
Try using it in maps like Clusterfuck station.

Su85 is actually OP with its stock maphack ability and ROF
Penals are on par with USF RM

Are you like the axis-alter ego of AAA?

What.
I love the Flak HT, it's my most favourite unit when playing OKW.
It's like a suppressing and more defensive Luchs. You just have to mikro it a bit and keep in mind of the aiming time bug, but otherwise I love that thing.

Actually, after you play USF, you will understand why Flak HT is not that good.

Before OKW was redesigned, Flak HT fuel timing is 40(tier2)+40(cost)-40(start)=40/0.67=60 fuel
When OKW was being redesigned, the first truck can come out immediately, thus OKW flak track cost is increased to 55 fuel.
Now, after push back OKW tier2 because of luch, tier1 was also affected, and the Flak HT fuel timing is 40(tier2)+55(cost)-10(start)= 85 fuel

I notice this when I was still convinced that FlakHT is okay. But after getting outtech by USF, I recheck again and realize why.

Btw, USF HT is 50 fuel only and way superior to OKW.

Flame hetz worse than p2 in every way.

P2 is more mobile, deals more damage, have camo, comes quicker, cost less, does not requiere commander. Cant kill garisons as fast, but it doesnt matter since hetz commander has flamethrowers, which already clear garrisons without trouble.

More so, flame hetz performance absolutely horrible, double con squad (theoretically single one, but it takes too much time) can kill it soley with at grenades, once engine damaged, hetz is too slow to even protect itself. Same with us captn, it can kill engine damaged hetz solo with bit of micro. Whats the point of geting soley AI unit, which is horrible against infantry? Just go scavenge and spam ostwinds, lol.

For the love of kruppstahl, do something with flame hetzer.

Could you maybe add American and brit medic squads to your list? all they do is run after wounded units and get themselfs killed

i believe that flame hetzer takes the cake for being the worst unit in the game, its the new old su76, hands down.

Su85 is actually OP with its stock maphack ability and ROF
Penals are on par with USF RM

can anyone atleast temporarily ban this guy?

SCOTT

What.
I love the Flak HT, it's my most favourite unit when playing OKW.
It's like a suppressing and more defensive Luchs. You just have to mikro it a bit and keep in mind of the aiming time bug, but otherwise I love that thing.

Indeed with some micro you can supress everything. I also love the unit and use it much more lately.

i believe that flame hetzer takes the cake for being the worst unit in the game, its the new old su76, hands down.

I agree with you to the fullest on this point. Flame Hetzer is a flame shitter which is a crappy KV-8

Soviet: Faction with most terrible units
Penal(Poor combat performance)
M3 Scout Car(Slow tech, but first tier cost less fuel so it's arguable)
Katyusha(Can't kill a single thing before they get away)
T3476(Come out too late)
SU85(Low penetration)

M42AT(become obsolete quickly)
B4(RNG dependence)
IL2(Poor performance

I think problem of units from in T1 that they are in separate building. I will try to explain:
Wehrmacht sniper in one building with mortar and grenadiers + MG42 from HQ. Thats mean than your sniper can covered by support weapon and work with them (MG supressing, sniper killing). Also german sniper have a good weapon characteristics (shoot fast, have incerdinary bullet ability).

British sniper in one building with AT gun, engineers and AEC (option). By that time british player already produces IS, MG and maybe UC. Thats mean british player shouldn,s choose between sniper and main infantry squads.

Soviet sniper in one building with M3 and penals. All of this units can't be called as mainline. You don't have support weapon. If you go T1 after T2, you can't use M3 (enemy already have many grenadiers, volksgrenadiers and maybe Paks and 222). Also you delay your T-70 on 25 fuel (T1 cost + M3 cost). Penals can be replaced by conscripts and doctrine elite infantry. As a result, you build T1 only for sniper in this situation.
That's why i think T1 should be removed, M3 moved to HQ, Sniper to T2, penals reworked and placed to T4.

"Katyusha(Can't kill a single thing before they get away)"

so a balanced unit should be buffed to overpreforme like calliOPe and Pwerfer?

it would be nice if WC51 could be supression platform like kupawagen before patch. results ? so big buff for this commander and more intresting gameplay