Remove Terminator Vet OR Buff Axis Elite

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2016, 13:23 PMmycalliope

because this kind of inconsitency within factions is not right...rangers cost much more and more popcap still shock beat them and have better abilites..yeah i get ur point..these units dont fight against in a real match but still its unfair for one side

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2016, 14:17 PMPablonano

you forget the part where shocks perform way worse against vehicles and also that they vet, even fixed, its almost decorative

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2016, 13:37 PMMittens

I mean USF riflemen have downsides and only start scaling once they get the m1919's. Their long range damage is....horrible and it forces you to ALWAYS close the distance. In this case you can bait them with mines pretty ez and if they are bad they will mass retreat. I think honestly a volks blob is more effective as they are so cheap and reinforce faster .

@obersoldat This is also not true about "Currently vet 0 rifles perform like vet 3 rifles". All inf units are currently not getting their offensive vet buffs whenever you lose a model and as a USF player, I know you will lose a model closing the distance. This is a very bias point of view and you should go play USF and see where they lack.

In terms of micro, USF has few options as ive stated you have to close the distance in order for them to be effective. Fighting from cover requires you to stand rather far away and means your units suck. Nades are also another micro USF players have to push in with but other than that the issue is the long range stats on the USF rifles and makes it IMPOSSIBLE to play a cover game as USF.


USF are broken just like OKW and both need looked at due to their cheese and HUGE (mostly USF) tech gaps.

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2016, 14:25 PMPencilBatRation

How on earth could you consider shocks OP though? They are pretty average, have a ridiclous range and are quite expensive to call in and reinforce.

And hard countered by 42s and supported JLI thanks to their crit ability.(Which are basically the stylish looking version of ostruppen)

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2016, 12:34 PMmycalliope

The allied vet 3 rifle and cons blob is getting out of hand.Falls,obers and storms are getting outgunned mercilessly and the 2 lmg on vet 3 rifle is just plain broken..obers(vet3) which cost more,more popcap,and dedicated anti-infantry are getting outgunned by these 2 lmg vet 3 rifles(lower popcap and standard generalized infy).Not to mention falls,storm,obers are low man squads and when clumped up get raped by any indirect fire especially in team games.we saw obers nerf because they were good against rifle before they got their terminator vet.Majority of Axis players especially team games are losing because they can't deal with allied infy and team weapon blobs.Whermact dont even have a proper anti infy elite infantry storms and pgs are nothing against shockstroops and rangers..maybe rework storm to be the faction elite .I am for removing the terminator vet on these guys and limiting Lmg to 1,this way we can see more rangers,paras,shocks in the army.

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2016, 14:31 PMpugzii

stopped reading at cons blob. why are u here

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2016, 14:35 PMmycalliope

Never seen a ppsh cons blob or sapper piat blob..??? i mean u will if you played as axis..

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2016, 14:37 PMItchyGonorrhea

I'm always delighted when I see conspam as OH.

You know. Because Pgrens easily wreck them.

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2016, 14:38 PMmycalliope

Yeah they do..the problem is with okw sadly

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2016, 14:42 PMpugzii

Seriously struggling vs script ppsh blob? is dis a joke m9

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2016, 14:47 PMmycalliope

I can handle them..upto an extent but the main problem here is Terminator rifles

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2016, 14:42 PMpugzii

Seriously struggling vs script ppsh blob? is dis a joke m9

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2016, 15:10 PMPencilBatRation

They wreck axis, specially if vet.

Pee Pee sh got a massive troll-level mid range buff. So combine that with their vet 3 bonuses and you got yourself actual exterminators.

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2016, 15:18 PMAustralian Magic

Cons PPSH blob too stronk

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2016, 15:18 PMAustralian Magic

Cons PPSH blob too stronk