Replace spio with vgren as okw starting unit

Jump back to quoted post15 Feb 2016, 17:42 PMBurts

Kubel as a starting unit instead of sturmpios could be interesting.

Jump back to quoted post15 Feb 2016, 17:55 PMMittens

They already have a pretty good start with the kubal and its a great harassment unit. That being said it shouldn't be able to cap faster now that OKW have full resource income when it was first tested in alpha.
Adjusting starting MP would make it so double Sturms require you to wait a bit to push them out the door making volks or a kubal your first starting unit.

Jump back to quoted post15 Feb 2016, 17:37 PMAlphrum

play OKW before crying about it cuz clearly you have not. yes, in 1v1 sturms will have the upper hand in 1v1 if they come close, where as if you fire from from distance they WILL drop atleast a model and lose alot of dps and lol rushing a building with sturms? you just have to fire at the building from max distance which minimizes their dps. the only faction that can abuse building rushes early game are UKF infantry sections.

Jump back to quoted post15 Feb 2016, 17:37 PMAlphrum

AND LOL the amount of BS about infantry sections in green cover vs sturms closing in is nonsense, yes strums might have a chance (LOW) of winning but in MOST cases IS in green cover WILL BEAT STURMS closing in. If sturms get the drop from bh or something then its a different story.

Why don't I spell it out for you. Sorry, I don't have any crayons to make it easier so you may need to ask an adult to help you.

1v1

okw

small map

spio fuel rush

GG

80% of the time they do this, it is successful. I lose map presence and time while they get to seriously hamper my early game all because of a free starting unit.

Even the threat of spio forces doubling up.

Can you really say that is balanced?

Jump back to quoted post15 Feb 2016, 08:32 AMKatitof

Spios as starting unit are mostly fine.

If there is one thing to complain about, its the free 100mp OKW gets at start over all other armies.

You know don't how to play allies then, allies need to stick together in early game, no lone squads or you bleed, get to the important buildings (even at the cost of no cap with the first squad) and keep them and stick to good positions, after 3 squads you can start assaulting them and always focus the sturms. There you go.

Also if the map is close range use shocks or rangers, they will rape sturms all day everyday.

I think on some maps the Stormpois can be super oppressive, you combine that with a kubel and they can actually shut you out on some maps. I really hate it. People say to stick together but if there's a building by the fuel point you will give it up by waiting.

If I have Rears in the building they die horribly to a point blank storm pio. Kind of a lose lose really. They have an even more aggressive early game then the early game faction.

I didn't know rangers came in at 0 cp. Also you are thinking of Wermacht and maybe Brits, USF and Soviets are supposed to spread and cap the map with their superior numbers. However against OKW you are forced to bunch up your units and move around in case you get jumped by a stormpio and a kubel. Hey look they even encourage you to blob against OKW more.

Jump back to quoted post15 Feb 2016, 18:50 PMBeefSurge

The only okw issue is their infantry play revolving around blobs, and no counter to lol Maxim.

1st Spio is only an issue if you play poorly, so just l2p

Jump back to quoted post15 Feb 2016, 19:13 PMSirlami

The problem is not sturms, but the kubel that costs 0 fuel and can cap.


rear's die to anything, just use them to occupy the buildings until a rifle squad can come take it's place. You can hop out and in and just repeat that to avoid mp bleed while you wait for the rifles in some cases.


No, soviets and usf are not supposed to spread out even against wehr early game. (tho maxims can do that easily ) Okw is a blob faction and you counter it by blobbing more and getting pressure with light vehicles.

Jump back to quoted post15 Feb 2016, 18:50 PMSirlami

Captain qq you dont know what you are talking about, please stop already.

And why arent you rushing the fuel? You can make it before the spios if you don't stop to cap.

This is just one big l2p issue, absolutely no need to whine about it on the forums.

Jump back to quoted post15 Feb 2016, 19:56 PMCaptain QQ

The whole point I'm making is that the 1 con and 1 engi STILL cannot win over a spio about 80% of the time. EVEN IF I RUSH MY FUEL. You just assume I am stupid to make your "argument" sound like it is coming from a position of knowledge when in fact you are either willfully misrepresenting my position or you can't converse like an adult.

Jump back to quoted post15 Feb 2016, 20:31 PMThunderhun

Or you should learn to micro. SPs were never an issue vs good players.

End of story.

Jump back to quoted post15 Feb 2016, 19:56 PMCaptain QQ

The whole point I'm making is that the 1 con and 1 engi STILL cannot win over a spio about 80% of the time. EVEN IF I RUSH MY FUEL. You just assume I am stupid to make your "argument" sound like it is coming from a position of knowledge when in fact you are either willfully misrepresenting my position or you can't converse like an adult.