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The amazing Chandler
4 Feb 2016, 12:13 PM
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I really think that this is unfair and also gives a very strong faction a lot more power.
Rakettens and JP (and maybe also other units, not sure) can always be cloaked, even in red cover.
I believe that Relic should bring OKWs cloak in line with the other factions. And no, its not about asymmetrical balance, it has to do with the new way cloak works (and should work for all factions) in COH2.

Let the "conversation" begin :D
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ruzen
4 Feb 2016, 12:21 PM
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I dont feel like Its an issue.
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niutudis
4 Feb 2016, 12:26 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post4 Feb 2016, 12:13 PMThe amazing Chandler

I believe that Relic should bring OKWs cloak in line with the other factions. And no, its not about asymmetrical balance, it has to do with the new way cloak works (and should work for all factions) in COH2.

If relic does that .... how long will it take before there are threads about how op luchs, jp4 and raketenwerfer are because now they automaticaly cloak and have no movement-penalty?
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Talore
4 Feb 2016, 12:42 PM
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This is such a non-issue it hurts.
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Kozokus
4 Feb 2016, 12:57 PM
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Number of times i have seen/done a proper use of cloak in OKW : 0

Kozo.
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and pain... the perfect educator...
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The amazing Chandler
4 Feb 2016, 12:59 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post4 Feb 2016, 12:57 PMKozokus
Number of times i have seen/done a proper use of cloak in OKW : 0

Kozo.


Look at this then.

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Katitof
4 Feb 2016, 13:03 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post4 Feb 2016, 12:21 PMruzen
I dont feel like Its an issue.
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Australian Magic
4 Feb 2016, 13:17 PM
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JP4 camo is an issue cause you even can't hit it with ground attack of maybe they already fixed it? I don't recall any fix about it..
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DAZ187
4 Feb 2016, 13:26 PM
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Raketenwerfer cloak should atleast be vet 1. its bad enough going vehicle offensive with volks running around. but rushing in and finding out they hiding to ambush u is gamebreaking.
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The amazing Chandler
4 Feb 2016, 13:37 PM
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If its not an issue, why not bring it line with the other factions. I would say that changing it is not an issue!
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DonnieChan
4 Feb 2016, 13:40 PM
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Katitof
4 Feb 2016, 13:47 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post4 Feb 2016, 13:37 PMThe amazing Chandler
If its not an issue, why not bring it line with the other factions. I would say that changing it is not an issue!

Because fixing what isn't broken isn't the answer and neither is generalization?

JP4 is broken, puppchen is fine.
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Mr.Smith
4 Feb 2016, 13:48 PM
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Having out-of-combat persistent cloak for those units is fine; it gives the game a bit of flavour.

However, in the way this is implemented, stealth is completely broken in this game:
- You can abuse stealth so that your JP4 is CONSTANTLY stealthed (even while firing)
- It even causes some phasing issues, where you can't hit stealthed units with attack round.

Here's a video that elchino created about it a long time ago:

(watch at the 1:05 mark about how to properly "use" JP4 camo)

jump backJump back to quoted post4 Feb 2016, 13:17 PMAustralian Magic
JP4 camo is an issue cause you even can't hit it with ground attack of maybe they already fixed it? I don't recall any fix about it..


I'm 99% sure that the predator phasing bug hasn't been fixed, yet. Last night I used the cloak to dodge some Tulip rockets (and kill off the 2 fireflies that fired them on me).

I will concede that at vet0, the Raketenwerfer is rather situational (slow speed, reduced range etc). However, to those of you complaining that the Raketenwerfer sucks, have you actually checked its veterancy?
- At vet1 there is no movement penalty to cloak
- At vet4, it can even outrun infantry

I would like to know how you guys manage to counter AECs/Calliopes without Raketens (no, mines don't count)
You have a great idea that improves the QoL aspects of the game? Please, drop your idea here:
https://www.coh2.org/topic/57860/some-qol-suggestions

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JohnSmith
4 Feb 2016, 13:49 PM
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More importantly: Does the OKW Raketen cloak have the same advantages as the OKW Phase Shift cloak?
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Kubelecer
4 Feb 2016, 13:49 PM
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people defending jp4 cloak as fine should play the game, because they obviously dont
jump backJump back to quoted post13 Jan 2016, 11:57 AMJohnnyB
My place in the ladder is irrelevant as long as I am matched with opponents of the same rank and play all factions (balance at place 1000+ is no different from balance in top 100 if we consider what I said before the brakets) so I don't care about your assertion which is also irrelevant.

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vasa1719
4 Feb 2016, 13:55 PM
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Hard to say about raketen (but camo dont must work in red cover), coz not big range (but good penetretion for this unit). But JP vet1 camo need nerf 100 %. Why OKW units have so power vet, obers supress and have sprint really OpieOP tahy just run into all infatry with vet.
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Grim
4 Feb 2016, 13:56 PM
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I think that while JP4 and Pakken cloak should not be so 'user friendly' (read between the lines) they are a minor issue.

Shrekblobs into panther meta must be changed and I would LOVE to see more JP4 s on the field just for a change in gameplay.
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dasheepeh
4 Feb 2016, 14:08 PM
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JP4 predator camo surely is broken. Why hasnt it been patched ages ago??
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Highfiveeeee
4 Feb 2016, 14:15 PM
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Just for the interest of everyone who didn't play vCoH:
The Wehrmacht's PaK had 3(!) camo shots a few patches ago before it revealed itself. Good old times.
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WhySooSerious
4 Feb 2016, 14:22 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post4 Feb 2016, 13:26 PMDAZ187
Raketenwerfer cloak should atleast be vet 1. its bad enough going vehicle offensive with volks running around. but rushing in and finding out they hiding to ambush u is gamebreaking.


raketen has less range and its a light rocket AT Gun. Also raketens arent an issue. JP4 dodge camo is though.
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