Ghost structures and how to ghostbust it

Jump back to quoted post4 Jan 2016, 14:36 PMPorygon

It is not about broken mechanics but attitude towards any potential strategy.
If it is in the game, it is just stupid not using it, period.

Jump back to quoted post4 Jan 2016, 15:56 PMruzen

I dont think you are not even reading others.

Jump back to quoted post4 Jan 2016, 06:33 AMruzen

It is a broken mechanic, which passes Relic's code knowlage to find a way to fix It. quote]



''Knowlage''

Oh the irony!

Jump back to quoted post4 Jan 2016, 15:22 PMPorygon

And I recalled almost 80% of RTS, unfinished structure acts like finished one HP wise, and able to refund, with or without penalty. There is no exploit.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jan 2016, 09:51 AMBlalord

- Can you tell us exemple ?

- We are talking of free, spammable things, buildable with even Core infantrty, so refund is not even the subject

Does 80% of RTS use a cover system too ? ( totally ruined with ghosting )

Jump back to quoted post5 Jan 2016, 10:04 AMPorygon

Read above.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jan 2016, 10:10 AMBlalord

Can you explain me why you use SC2 as an example ? when the building cost ressource, doesnt refund at 100%, and is never as 100% HP when not builded and not buildable by core infantry ? I'am curious

Jump back to quoted post5 Jan 2016, 12:02 PMPorygon

Drone / Probe is cheaper than "core infantry", as disposable scouting unit, its value is even lower than our starting engi units.

Ghosting a Pylon is arguable cost nothing. Ghosting a Hatch just cost a few Zerglings, as harassment it may achieve much more than a few Zerglings.

Ghosting a structure can fuck up melee units, arguable similar to ghosting a cover using as your advantage.

You can never fast enough to kill a ghosting Hatchery / Pylon with your early units before it is cancelled.

Jump back to quoted post4 Jan 2016, 15:22 PMPorygon

And I recalled almost 80% of RTS, unfinished structure acts like finished one HP wise, and able to refund, with or without penalty. There is no exploit.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jan 2016, 12:06 PMKatitof

SCV=50 min, marine=50min.
Drone=50min 2 lings=50min.

Only probe is cheaper then zealot.

And there is fundamental difference in your examples and coh2 ghost wiring.

In 100% of your examples, it does NOT work if you do it before the opponent is actually fighting you, in coh2 you're supposed to place the obstacle that opponent would have to cut or blow up, in SC2 ghosting is part of actual micro during actual combat. For that to even be comparable, you'd have to ghost wire during the fight, not spam the map long before you'll even see first opposing unit.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jan 2016, 12:11 PM__deleted__

If this is not abusive gameplay then I dont know what is

Jump back to quoted post5 Jan 2016, 12:29 PMPorygon

Then why the fuck ghosting a gas = micro but ghosting a wire = exploit?
This is double standard.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jan 2016, 12:41 PMKatitof

For one, because these are fundamentally different games with completely different meta. You don't really place anything on natural expansion spot in coh2, because they don't exist.
You aren't rushing your pios to soviet base in attempt to ghost T1 to prevent him from putting T3 up.
You're still risking resources in SC2.
You are actually exposed when doing so and can be countered in SC2 as you're in your opponents gardening base.
You need to actively do it in SC2, you can't do it minute before, leave the structure half finished, call it a day and call it a win in next skirmish.

See some slight differences yet?

Jump back to quoted post5 Jan 2016, 12:45 PMPorygon

Do you know how retarded it was to MEAN using 25 minerals = risking resources in SC2?

And you actually complaining shooting a ghosting wire with a few seconds = abomination, but shooting a ghost extractor that requiring at least 2 mins being fine?

At least play SC2 first, please.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jan 2016, 12:50 PMKatitof

Its in the game and you can use it freely until relic decides to fix it or not, but it won't make you any less of a dick by trying to excuse it with different games.

Just like sprice buff stacking exploits, ghost wiring is an exploit, less severe, but you're still a-hole for using it.