UKF AA emplacement and retreating squads

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2015, 18:34 PMKamzil118

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So in other words, I don't see why a allied static building with a quick rapid anti-aircraft gun should get criticized if the OKW tech building does the same.

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2015, 18:48 PMAerohank

If your flank put you in a position where you had to retreat past a static AA position, it was a bad flank.

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2015, 18:19 PMOmega_Warrior

OKW Flak HQs have been doing this long before UKF Bofors existed.
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Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2015, 16:28 PM5trategos

You have the wrong expectation about what the retreat button is for...

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2015, 16:26 PMEtherealDragon

Except retreating squads still get the same received accuracy buff while retreating against Bofors like they do against any other unit.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2015, 09:10 AMDakkaIsMagic

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He is going to keep going in a circle of him avoiding facts that he is clearly wrong, just so he doesn't have to admit hes wrong.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2015, 09:40 AMMyself

There is not a single "fact" posted in the tread justifying why A.A.E should be able to wipe out even Full HP 5 men squads that retreat past it.

I bet that most of people that posted here have not even tested the lethality of the unit against retreating units.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2015, 00:29 AMMyself

That is totally arbitrary characterization and retreat paths are map dependent so your comments are rather off base.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2015, 00:29 AMMyself

No I simply think that a units with the utility of Bofors should not have the extra utility of being able to wiped out retreating squads.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2015, 10:43 AMAerohank

It is not arbitrary at all.
Any flanking maneuver you do that puts you in the position where you have to retreat through an enemy strong point is a bad flanking maneuver. Not knowing the path your units will take on retreat is no excuse. Retreat paths are not random; it's simply something you need to learn and it separates the people who do good flanks from the people who do bad flanks.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2015, 10:43 AMAerohank

The Bofors does not have a lot of utility as it is. It can not move; this is a pretty big deal.

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2015, 14:07 PMJohnnyB

About british emplacements, did I miss a change in some recent patch? Incendiary mortar HT rounds and about any flame weapon don't seem to work so good against them. In fact, even ballistic weapons seems to be less efficient. It's only my impression? Because I hear brits Up all around but in fact I met some guys who knew how to play them, not american style, not soviet style, but pure british style using emplacements (AA and mortars). And hell they were efficient.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2015, 11:16 AM__deleted__

Yeah they changed it so that it isn't an instant one shot anymore.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2015, 11:34 AMJohnnyB

Well, to bad I guess, because 2 mortar HT and 2 regular mortars + pak 40 and some infantry could not handle 2 AA emplacement and one mortar pit. Oh, they destroyed one AA emplacement, to be fair.

British emplacements are back and twices ugly. Any noob can deny you a good chunk of the map preferably fuel and VP included. GG.

Mortar hts are not working anymore, jagdpanzer is in T4. British players, spam emplacements! It's da bomb, I can guarantee.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2015, 10:08 AMAustralian Magic

Case closed, move on.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2015, 11:34 AMJohnnyB

Well, to bad I guess, because 2 mortar HT and 2 regular mortars + pak 40 and some infantry could not handle 2 AA emplacement and one mortar pit. Oh, they destroyed one AA emplacement, to be fair.

British emplacements are back and twices ugly. Any noob can deny you a good chunk of the map preferably fuel and VP included. GG.

Mortar hts are not working anymore, jagdpanzer is in T4. British players, spam emplacements! It's da bomb, I can guarantee.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2015, 12:35 PMAchtAchter

If you overextended that much, that your squads are killed on retreat by a stationary emplacement, in my opinion you really deserve it then. Those emplacements have already marginal usage, no need to nerf them further.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2015, 12:26 PMMyself

Thanks for taking the time to test.

If you are claiming that bofors can't kill retreating units you are simply wrong.

Here are the result of my test:
10 V.G. retreating past bofors

4 squad wipes
4 left with 1
1 left with 3
outs of 50 entities retreating 7 made. If in you case a single entity made it is simply RNG.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2015, 13:08 PMMyself

Placing an AA on the retreat point from a cut off, severely reduces the ability to harass that point, forcing to first destroy the AA as the viable option...

killing 86% the entities of Full HP 5 men squads on retreat is over performing in imo so nerfing this particular part of the unit's performance without any other affect makes sence and I would not describe it as "nerf(ing) them further"

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2015, 13:15 PMAustralian Magic

And even a single squad did not die that day.
20 models down out of 60, not a single wipe.
Plus keep in mind, this was made without fog of war which means even higher efficiency.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2015, 13:32 PMMyself

If I understand correctly you retreated 12 squads at the same time?

and 33% of them where cut down? and you don't find that too much?

I tested 1 squad 10 times...

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2015, 13:20 PMAerohank

Well thats the point of the AA emplacement isn't it? To defend and prevent harassment? If it can't do that, what can it do? It can't attack you know.

And here is a tip when it comes to harassment: Don't put your squad in a position where it has to retreat through an enemy strong-point.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2015, 13:34 PMOmega_Warrior

If you retreat through an enemy strong point you deserve to be punished!
If you retreat through an enemy strong point you deserve to be punished!
If you retreat through an enemy strong point you deserve to be punished!
If you retreat through an enemy strong point you deserve to be punished!

Bofors DO NOT MOVE. It is your fault for retreating through it.