Calliopes

Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2015, 20:59 PMPanzerGeneralForever

Im not saying it's easy to counter pwerfer. I'm saying it easy to counter pwerfer COMPARED TO the calliope. It's far easier and a lot less at stack to try to counter pwerfer than it is calli. You can kill pwerfer with artillery if you want with no risk.

And I never said pwerfer was balanced either. Both need less wiping potential as you said.

I disagree that survivability of a non frontline isn't important. Unit preservation is always important. Every unit should be counter able. The reason you see so many complaints about heavies is because there seems to be no counter (even tho there are). What would you say is the most cost effective counter to an armoured mobile artillery unit?

Jump back to quoted post17 Dec 2015, 21:29 PMPanzerGeneralForever

I had was playing a 2v2 on Crossing in the woods the other day and lost 3 vet 3 4 man lmg grens to the first barrage of a single vet 0 callopie. It was at medium range and my grens were relatively spaced out. All of them died as they were half way out of my base.

I guess this should be moved to Balance forum...

Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2015, 21:17 PMRedT3rror

There's something called a "mine". Try to succeed with your ambush against a few of them...

Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2015, 22:12 PMNosliw

sounds like u were blobbing against an AOE ability that's strong against infantry... it's not the game's fault. it's yours.

Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2015, 23:18 PMBulgakov

There's something called "not using roads" and "avoid the obvious paths"
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But there is a way if you want it.

Also - minesweepers in transport vehicles detect mines. You can send one in just behind your tranks and no mine damage.

Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2015, 23:34 PMRedT3rror

It's easy to make a theory work in your fantasy than in reality.

It kinda sucks if there are only 3 paths to the enemy's artillery unit and one of them goes through the frontline. It's incredible hard to stay unnoticed and the enemy will obviously take precautions (as mentioned mines, keeping the arty units close other units, instant retreat after firing, firing from maximum distance or behind shotblockers).

Trying to ambush the enemy behind his lines is a suicide mission. Losing a tank+light vehicle+pios is not worth it.

Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2015, 23:44 PMBulgakov

This goes for Stukas, Pwerfers, Katyushas. Only these three units are very weak. Meaning if you do get behind the lines, one or two shots is enough.

With the Calliope however, you have to stay around and chase it. This makes it much less likely you can kill a calliope and more likely you'll lose your unit even if you do.

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2015, 01:00 AMjugglerman

Calliope=Pay2Win?

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2015, 00:04 AMRedT3rror

And my point is that if there are skilled players fighting each other, they are both skilled enough to avoid being caught offguard with their artillery. In that case the amount of hp of those units becomes irrelevant.

You can lose your game by losing your artillery units, but you should not assume to lose a game because you failed to take out the enemy's mobile arty, especially when playing axis (who just happen to be the one to face the Calliope).