Weak Ostwind

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 21:48 PMFiresparks

what does that make the centaur, one of the slowest unit in the game?

Jump back to quoted post12 Dec 2015, 11:47 AMcr4wler

You mean the unit that didnt have its mobility or price changed, yet used to get rushed and ended games immediately? And if mobility is survivability, it's weird how everybody complains about how unkillable KT and all the other supers are.

So to answer your question: it makes the "useless" centaur still better than the ostwind.

Jump back to quoted post12 Dec 2015, 11:50 AMKatitof

You might want to update your game to the latest patch, the one when centaur isn't like that and no one rushes it.

Talking about balance that doesn't even exist and trying to make it into an argument is pointless.

You would make just as much of a point if you've suddenly started talking about dinosaurs impact on our current life.

Jump back to quoted post12 Dec 2015, 11:50 AMAustralian Magic

It's so "useless", that during last year it was a game changer many many times with scavange doctrine.

Jump back to quoted post12 Dec 2015, 18:39 PMAustralian Magic

So I made a tests.

Centaur and Ostwind vs Volks/Rifles and mid/long and close range.

Centaur vs 1 Volks at mid/long - 15s.
Ostwind vs 1 Rifle at mid/long - 19s.

Centaur vs 3 Volks at mid/long - 69s (tho this should be a bit higher, becasue I had to move Centaur aa bit close because it was shooting the ground Ostwind was not shooting the ground from the same place. Dem this shit Ostwind!)
Ostwind vs 3 RF at mid/long - 80s.

Centaur vs 3 Volks at close - 40s.
Ostwind vs 3 RF at close - 46s.

Now, tell me, how Ostwind is UP? Sure, it kills a bit slower than Centaur but it has better survability (mobility).
Or maybe you want to bring it in line with Centaur for those X seconds in exchange for shitty mobility?

Jump back to quoted post12 Dec 2015, 18:47 PMBananenheld

Thx for some hard Data, can you swap volks with grens? Just curious how much the 4 model squad changes the killIng time

First off, centaur survivability never changed. Since it was OP before, its survivability was a non-issue quite obviously. After the nerf it's still better than the ostwind. Yet ostwind is "fine" but centaur "useless". Because survivability. Which was not changed and wasn't an issue earlier. Yep makes sense.

Jump back to quoted post12 Dec 2015, 19:06 PMAustralian Magic

Same environment but vs IS and Grens.

Centaur: 12s/52s/36s
Ostwind: 20s/67s/44s

Of course it's just "more or less" casue it all depends on map, where are you shooting, cover, terrain etc.

Jump back to quoted post12 Dec 2015, 23:54 PMJespe

Dear god weapon team down before it can escape when Centaur shoots it.

Jump back to quoted post12 Dec 2015, 23:24 PMFiresparks

thanks Australian.


there's a saying "the best defensive is a good offense". centaur survivability was not an issue previously because the tank was wiping infantry in seconds. The jackson is an extreme case of where a unit's firepower and mobility excuse its fragility.

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2015, 08:58 AMcr4wler

So what you're saying is that ostwind has a shitty defense (because shitty offense)?
Dude you flip-flop more than politicians :-)

Just experiment with the ostwind in cheatmod... or try building it in a automatch game. It's not a very good unit. Not at its intended role (AI) nor at anything else apart from maybe AA (and i'd argue that even here the centaur is far superior)