OKW free AA

Jump back to quoted post9 Dec 2015, 19:42 PMKilleon

Just tested the following:
1v1, Angoville, SU vs OKW. SU using Lend Lease's fuel supply drop.
CheatCommands mod.
OKW starts with 3 flaks as "bunkers", they all fire 18 rounds to the plane before it goes out of its range. Schwerer fires 6 times when put in the middle of the map.
12/31 times were taken down by 3 flaks + schwerer panzer.
5/30 were taken down by 3 flaks (base).
10/30 were taken down by 1 Schwerer HQ.
7/10 were taken down by 1 Schwerer HQ + 1 FHT (2 of those 3 times that didn't, somehow the FHT didn't fire).

Hope this helps.
I still find it stupid that OKW gets AA by sideteching (and thus deny some allies' abilities), specially when they also have AA bunkers.

Jump back to quoted post9 Dec 2015, 21:04 PMMittens

SO in 4v4's if each person is OKW with 3 base AA guns you'll have a 33% chance of survival

Jump back to quoted post9 Dec 2015, 20:36 PMImagelessbean

you completely miscounting the number of shots fired (seems unlikely)

Jump back to quoted post9 Dec 2015, 18:25 PMThe Silver Sage

Johnny what happened to you man? You've gotten a lot more hard line in the last few months.

OKW originally had flak in base instead of mg due to reduced fuel income to stop allies base rushing with a quick light/medium vehicle while OKW waits for their first tank (which back then was most likely going to be a luchs or a heavy.. remember old flak halftruck with pack up and down time P4 was only a call in and not great at that (pre-okw p4 buff when you had to drop muni to get a decent medium vehicle (worse than OST P4).

With the changes that have been made it could be argued do they even need it now? Perhaps mgs in base would make a better approach?
Also in the same vein the flak gun of the Panzer HQ may need adjustments given the resource buff (although it does cost 120 now). I would first switch the base flaks and see if that is enough instead of changing both (you know not make a drastic change, do it in increments to avoid severe frustration for a player base).

It really does make it hard to get the lend lease air drop in with very little active thought being put in by the OKW player while allies have to actively invest fuel and sometimes muni to stop OST drops. I don't feel too strongly either way but I do feel Relic didn't foresee how the changes to OKW resources would impact the faction in a lot of ways.

Jump back to quoted post9 Dec 2015, 19:42 PMKilleon

Just tested the following:
1v1, Angoville, SU vs OKW. SU using Lend Lease's fuel supply drop.
CheatCommands mod.
OKW starts with 3 flaks as "bunkers", they all fire 18 rounds to the plane before it goes out of its range. Schwerer fires 6 times when put in the middle of the map.
12/31 times were taken down by 3 flaks + schwerer panzer.
5/30 were taken down by 3 flaks (base).
10/30 were taken down by 1 Schwerer HQ.
7/10 were taken down by 1 Schwerer HQ + 1 FHT (2 of those 3 times that didn't, somehow the FHT didn't fire).

Hope this helps.
I still find it stupid that OKW gets AA by sideteching (and thus deny some allies' abilities), specially when they also have AA bunkers.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2015, 17:17 PMSteinerGER

I did a quick test myself and my supply plane was shot down 0/15 times(!) on Angovile against base AA alone.

Jump back to quoted post9 Dec 2015, 09:23 AMKatitof

You're really bad at sarcasm.

Base flaks have about 1% chance to shoot the plane down.

Schwerer side cost free flak on the other hand...