OPKW nerf.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2015, 14:33 PM__deleted__

Thx for irony and sarcasm.

I just want to tell that i have nothing bad found in that patch except few thinks and my opinion about patch is almost the same as archers , but why write everything 10 time in row until you realise why it is like it is ?

Many people now think OKW is OpieOP because right now OKW is thread and before it was e-zy mode.
That inflated their allied ranks and they get matched agains players with better skill and indentical factions in terms of power.

And yes my post are often short because i dont have time to tell everybody 500 word essay about : Why is your post bad ?

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2015, 14:25 PMAchtAchter

Lets do some myth checking here:

Fuel for first Stuart: 115
Fuel for first Luchs: 120

Verdict: Luchs & Stuart arrive at the same time. If the Luchs arrives to early, then the Stuart does too.

Now lets follow a normal game: Your opponent rushed a Luchs, now he will get battlegroup headquarters to provide heal: 40 fuel.
Your USF opponent does the same, he gets an ambu, Bars/zooks, nades. In total 45 fuel.

Right now both players have spent. 160 fuel.
Now comes Schwer Panzer & Major = 120 fuel.
Both players have spend now 280 fuel.

First sherman out after 390 fuel, first P4 out after 415 fuel. (sure you can go first liteunant or battlegroup headquarters, but I described a meta build here)

As you see it's pretty mirrored. OKW gets the better tank, USF gets the better infantry.
All that changes for allies with the patch that you have to actually get At out in time, WHICH IS NO PROBLEM.

Your suggestions show that you refuse to adapt.
Volks were changed so allies infantry simply doesn't walk over them with no mp bleed.
Panzerschreck accuracy was nerfed several times - it has 57 % chance to hit a stuart on long range. Nerf it further and its more a gamble than a upgrade.
140 fuel for a p4 means that it has to be equalized with the easy8, that means more pen on the gun and more hp on the tank. Since those units would cost the same.
In addition 155 fuel for t4 would delay obers too much.
If you'd analyze the changes you'd be able to realize okw pays now more for teching in general, even if you keep different resource incomes in mind.

You were just walking over OKW players before the patch and this is simply an unusual situation for you.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2015, 16:58 PM__deleted__

Oke, I respect your opinion and observations. The only problem is that a multitude of people are reporting the opposite.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2015, 14:25 PMAchtAchter

Lets do some myth checking here:

Fuel for first Stuart: 115
Fuel for first Luchs: 120

Verdict: Luchs & Stuart arrive at the same time. If the Luchs arrives to early, then the Stuart does too.

Now lets follow a normal game: Your opponent rushed a Luchs, now he will get battlegroup headquarters to provide heal: 40 fuel.
Your USF opponent does the same, he gets an ambu, Bars/zooks, nades. In total 45 fuel.

Right now both players have spent. 160 fuel.
Now comes Schwer Panzer & Major = 120 fuel.
Both players have spend now 280 fuel.

First sherman out after 390 fuel, first P4 out after 415 fuel. (sure you can go first liteunant or battlegroup headquarters, but I described a meta build here)

USF need grenades too (fuel) else ...

As you see it's pretty mirrored. OKW gets the better tank, USF gets the better infantry.
All that changes for allies with the patch that you have to actually get At out in time, WHICH IS NO PROBLEM.

Your suggestions show that you refuse to adapt.
Volks were changed so allies infantry simply doesn't walk over them with no mp bleed.
Panzerschreck accuracy was nerfed several times - it has 57 % chance to hit a stuart on long range. Nerf it further and its more a gamble than a upgrade.
140 fuel for a p4 means that it has to be equalized with the easy8, that means more pen on the gun and more hp on the tank. Since those units would cost the same.
In addition 155 fuel for t4 would delay obers too much.
If you'd analyze the changes you'd be able to realize okw pays now more for teching in general, even if you keep different resource incomes in mind.

You were just walking over OKW players before the patch and this is simply an unusual situation for you.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2015, 14:08 PMBlackKorp

it's so tasty how scrubs whine now thread after thread full with their tears, really. Allieds was OPusing for months, and now the weakest faction get bufft to become playable people start complaining like retards. No #adapt no #skill just whine and hope relic will nerf it again into nirvana

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2015, 18:00 PMEsxile

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Then Bye If your only argument is that you played the patch when it was beta and all of us are scrubs, don't come back. You should also resign as Strategics because so far you are just acting as Axis Fanboys with ArtAcher.

The balance problem lies around volks.

Or Relic keep them that strong but they must add pay tolls for grenades and shreks or Relic put them back as weak meatshield and leave those abilities free to access. There are enough natural buff already in place with the removal of fuel/amo starvation.

OKW is in a situation when their only downside is a lack of suppression which is lol, they simply don't need it with all the fire power they have early game.
The issue isn't only on the Fuel cost, but the mp, as USF you bleed like a stuff pig vs them and when they also start throwing their flamnade it is impossible to follow.
So I agree on being on the backfoot early game but when the early game dominance is followed by mid game dominance and late game dominance, there is nothing to do vs equal skill players.

Comparing USF and OKW is dump by the way, at least until Relic gives a fuel free wc51 and Atgun in T0. yes with those tools at disposal, we could start speaking of mirroring.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2015, 17:44 PMAustralian Magic

Just finished random 2v2, double OKW vs USF and UKF. I went MedHQ into Schwerer (damn, bt AchtAchter said it's impossible!) and pulled out KT at 16:37. That damn theorycraft

In mean time I will enjoy KT at 13-16mins

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2015, 14:08 PMBlackKorp

it's so tasty how scrubs whine now thread after thread full with their tears, really. Allieds was OPusing for months, and now the weakest faction get bufft to become playable people start complaining like retards. No #adapt no #skill just whine and hope relic will nerf it again into nirvana

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2015, 17:38 PM__deleted__

Most players play 4vs4. I think minority of players that play 1vs1 but they are most competitive and dont get i wrong but also with highest game awareness and best micro (when we compare same rank [200 1v1 vs 200 4v4])please dont take this as defamation .

For all not for schwarzenschnitzel



It is just simple fact and 75 % of all plaery here are whinners that now loose vs much more skilled players because before it was easy mode for usa so thier rank is inflated and now they play agains better players because of weak OKW before.

Also this is mine last post in this thread it is useless thread OKW is fine and hopefully dont get changed.


The END

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2015, 15:24 PMHati

Honestly I don't get why a faction should have ability to call-in non-doctrinal super heavy tank by just building three cheap tech tiers with amazing features. It was okayish with resource penalty, now its just retarded.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2015, 14:25 PMAchtAchter

Lets do some myth checking here:

Fuel for first Stuart: 115
Fuel for first Luchs: 120

Verdict: Luchs & Stuart arrive at the same time. If the Luchs arrives to early, then the Stuart does too.

Now lets follow a normal game: Your opponent rushed a Luchs, now he will get battlegroup headquarters to provide heal: 40 fuel.
Your USF opponent does the same, he gets an ambu, Bars/zooks, nades. In total 45 fuel.

Right now both players have spent. 160 fuel.
Now comes Schwer Panzer & Major = 120 fuel.
Both players have spend now 280 fuel.

First sherman out after 390 fuel, first P4 out after 415 fuel. (sure you can go first liteunant or battlegroup headquarters, but I described a meta build here)

As you see it's pretty mirrored. OKW gets the better tank, USF gets the better infantry.
All that changes for allies with the patch that you have to actually get At out in time, WHICH IS NO PROBLEM.

Your suggestions show that you refuse to adapt.
Volks were changed so allies infantry simply doesn't walk over them with no mp bleed.
Panzerschreck accuracy was nerfed several times - it has 57 % chance to hit a stuart on long range. Nerf it further and its more a gamble than a upgrade.
140 fuel for a p4 means that it has to be equalized with the easy8, that means more pen on the gun and more hp on the tank. Since those units would cost the same.
In addition 155 fuel for t4 would delay obers too much.
If you'd analyze the changes you'd be able to realize okw pays now more for teching in general, even if you keep different resource incomes in mind.

You were just walking over OKW players before the patch and this is simply an unusual situation for you.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2015, 14:25 PMAchtAchter

Lets do some myth checking here:

Fuel for first Stuart: 115
Fuel for first Luchs: 120

Verdict: Luchs & Stuart arrive at the same time. If the Luchs arrives to early, then the Stuart does too.

Now lets follow a normal game: Your opponent rushed a Luchs, now he will get battlegroup headquarters to provide heal: 40 fuel.
Your USF opponent does the same, he gets an ambu, Bars/zooks, nades. In total 45 fuel.

Right now both players have spent. 160 fuel.
Now comes Schwer Panzer & Major = 120 fuel.
Both players have spend now 280 fuel.

First sherman out after 390 fuel, first P4 out after 415 fuel. (sure you can go first liteunant or battlegroup headquarters, but I described a meta build here)

As you see it's pretty mirrored. OKW gets the better tank, USF gets the better infantry.
All that changes for allies with the patch that you have to actually get At out in time, WHICH IS NO PROBLEM.

Your suggestions show that you refuse to adapt.
Volks were changed so allies infantry simply doesn't walk over them with no mp bleed.
Panzerschreck accuracy was nerfed several times - it has 57 % chance to hit a stuart on long range. Nerf it further and its more a gamble than a upgrade.
140 fuel for a p4 means that it has to be equalized with the easy8, that means more pen on the gun and more hp on the tank. Since those units would cost the same.
In addition 155 fuel for t4 would delay obers too much.
If you'd analyze the changes you'd be able to realize okw pays now more for teching in general, even if you keep different resource incomes in mind.

You were just walking over OKW players before the patch and this is simply an unusual situation for you.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2015, 22:26 PMEtherealDragon

Personally I think if Relic either increased Volk Shrek Cost or introduced a slight Muni penalty (maybe somewhere halfway between old penalty and 100%) that OKW would be less obnoxious. The only real issue I have with it now is that every game feels like the number of Shrek volks reaches some critical mass if the game drags on too long and it makes Allied vehicle play too difficult. Not to mention the buffed Volk AI makes it more difficult to counter a Volk blob with infantry.

Either that or add some group penalty that increases Shrek cost if a certain number of Shrek volks exist. The 100% Munitions just feels way too much. Another option might be to remove free SWS truck buffs and make Healing or Mechanics a token MP/Fuel/Muni side upgrade cost.