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Chuko's gameplay, balance and fix for SU 1.0

3 Dec 2015, 09:54 AM
#21
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about Shock Trooper 1.5 Armor should be change to Passive rec acc ?
1.5 armor it help Shock 33% 0 Taking Damage Form Small arms expect HMG and LMG

Shocks have armor, because they actually had armor, so it makes all the sense for them to use this value instead rec acc.

It simply doesn't look silly when they take a shot to the chest and don't lose hp.
3 Dec 2015, 09:58 AM
#22
avatar of What Doth Life?!
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I like all of these changes. +1
3 Dec 2015, 10:49 AM
#23
avatar of tim974

Posts: 7

Nice, hope relic will have a look at it
3 Dec 2015, 11:08 AM
#24
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Great idea to alow Soviets to build bunkers (now used as soviet base defence) with the Defensive tactics commanders.

This commander also should have some late call-in, maybe a KV-2, now it's one of the worst commanders.


You should post IL2 Sturmovik single strafe problem in the bug section.
3 Dec 2015, 11:11 AM
#25
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I like somthing, somthing not, but need more love for some soviet docs and units, first of al its defencive tacticks. Imo 45 mm can garnison like raketen in house, why not ?
3 Dec 2015, 12:32 PM
#26
avatar of Muxsus

Posts: 170

Great suggestions, all of them. I hope Relic sees this.
3 Dec 2015, 13:17 PM
#27
avatar of TAKTCOM

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On the whole, better than what it is, but some moments are very funny.

T34-76 Dual call in
...9CP

Wow. We have 10 CP command Pz.V. Or M4(76) spam. Or even 8CP KV-1. And T-34-76 on 9CP? Just :romeoHype:

KV8
...Vet adjustment
-Remove secure mode
-Vet1 Passive upgrade. KV8 is able to shoot it’s 45mm gun at 50% RoF at the same time.

I do not think it's even possible, but you did it. It's even worse secure mode. Know why?
Because of the mysterious reason, 45 mm KV-8 have very very very low RoF. With your suggestion how often it would shoot? 4 shoot in minute? Or maybe even 5?:romeoMug:

T34-85
Ram:
-Same changes as T3476s

Ram on 1 vet? Really?:sibHyena:
3 Dec 2015, 16:39 PM
#28
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Wow. We have 10 CP command Pz.V. Or M4(76) spam. Or even 8CP KV-1. And T-34-76 on 9CP? Just :romeoHype:

I do not think it's even possible, but you did it. It's even worse secure mode. Know why?
Because of the mysterious reason, 45 mm KV-8 have very very very low RoF. With your suggestion how often it would shoot? 4 shoot in minute? Or maybe even 5?:romeoMug:

Ram on 1 vet? Really?:sibHyena:


1-Stug-E is 7CP. M10 is a 8CP. Bulldozer and M4C are 10CP. Power level is balanced. It could be an 8CP single tank, but i prefer the idea of "spamming" T34-76s. The whole point is that you have a spammable 275mp/80f/9pop 640hp tank. The T34 is not as bad as having to actually get T4 to get it. In fact, i'm unsure on how effective Armored assault could be made with this (Shock Frontline 2.0)

-KV8 45mm shoots at the same speed as the JPIV or faster than most medium tanks at 5.0s At 50% speed on reload, it would shoot at 7.375s. Similar to M36 or faster than Panther.
Reminder that i double pen at close range and while it's still at crap levels, you don't have to overestimate been able to dish out damage on top of the flamethrower.

-I made a mistake there. If i remove something i'll mention it. Ram should be above Vet adjustments and i've to copy paste secure mode fix.
3 Dec 2015, 16:52 PM
#29
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I like somthing, somthing not, but need more love for some soviet docs and units, first of al its defencive tacticks. Imo 45 mm can garnison like raketen in house, why not ?


While i thought about this change, the weight and size of both units is what it makes it different.

Great idea to alow Soviets to build bunkers (now used as soviet base defence) with the Defensive tactics commanders.

This commander also should have some late call-in, maybe a KV-2, now it's one of the worst commanders.


You should post IL2 Sturmovik single strafe problem in the bug section.


That's more of a rework on the current commander roster. I'll rather improve first on the basis of what the commander is meant to be doing rather than making it plain better by adding call in tanks.

jump backJump back to quoted post3 Dec 2015, 09:10 AMnewvan
I generally like your proposals, but 9cp for double T-34/76 is kinda late, it isn't perform like Wolverine or have useful ability like command PIV to justify CP value. It could be more expensive but have a lower CP to impact shock value, or stay at 9 but have a cheaper price to be more spamable.


You can dish out 4 T34-76s for the same cost that OH could bring out 2 PIVs. That's why i don't think it's a good idea to bring the CP count down nor the cost. The T34-76 is already a cheap tank for been gated at T4. To keep it this way is the reason that i went for a bit later CP count (it could still be 10CP as the M4C) and double call, to keep the fuel cost and even lower the mp cost and popcap.
3 Dec 2015, 17:05 PM
#30
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All for Soviet/US gets a better stock tank, all my heart supports non-doctrinal
T-34/85, with so much change for OKW I think relic might consider this proposal.
aaa
3 Dec 2015, 17:11 PM
#31
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jump backJump back to quoted post3 Dec 2015, 17:05 PMUGBEAR
All for Soviet/US gets a better stock tank, all my heart supports non-doctrinal
T-34/85, with so much change for OKW I think relic might consider this proposal.



the changes to OKW is it a buff or they will be on the same level of strenght overall. Absence of single late game tank in a sov tree is plain absurd.

Just remove penals. And sub them with shocks or guards. I would like to see both of those exelent balanced units on the field. Now its impossible.
Also old non-nerfed PTRS for vet 2 guards maybe as an upgrade.
5 Dec 2015, 12:18 PM
#32
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Posts: 1006

This looks good! Useless units become viable, more ways you can play the faction, useless abilities removed or changed. Nice work!

Penal change looks goooood!
5 Dec 2015, 12:24 PM
#33
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Posts: 513

brilliant post! really love the changes, my dreams will come true the day relic stop being shit and read stuff like this.
5 Dec 2015, 12:46 PM
#34
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gr8 changes

+42
5 Dec 2015, 13:05 PM
#35
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+1 great changes, nice work
5 Dec 2015, 13:06 PM
#36
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1-Stug-E is 7CP. M10 is a 8CP.

And they better T-34-76 in role pure AI/AT. Much better.

It could be an 8CP single tank, but i prefer the idea of "spamming" T34-76s.

Too late. In coh2 T-34 is early tank, and you can not increase its firepower or survivability. No smoke, additional mg, hulldown or armored skrits. Build T-34-76 in late game like building M3A1 in late game.

-KV8 45mm shoots at the same speed as the JPIV or faster than most medium tanks at 5.

Compared with T-70, the KV-8 gun is pathetic.
5 Dec 2015, 15:15 PM
#37
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And they better T-34-76 in role pure AI/AT. Much better.

Too late. In coh2 T-34 is early tank, and you can not increase its firepower or survivability. No smoke, additional mg, hulldown or armored skrits. Build T-34-76 in late game like building M3A1 in late game.

Compared with T-70, the KV-8 gun is pathetic.


1/2- One is an assault gun which has equal AT capabilities as the proposed KV8 with a lower health pool and the other is a "pure" AT vehicle which gets it's AI from crushing (which excels). A tank that has 160dmg, 640hp and medium rof will always prove useful to complement a push (or just amass a huge number). There are moments i'll rather have 2 T76s than one 85s (specially against super heavies).

M3: on the same way, if the map and opponents allows it, i'll get a 222 to hunt a Katyusha, i would do the same if i have Guards against a PW.

3- T70 doesn't have a flamethrower and 800hp. Vet1 is a light bonus when talking about performance boost. I'll rather have to buff something slightly than nerf it (see croc).
aaa
5 Dec 2015, 16:58 PM
#38
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with curent patch su76 slightest nerf and game will be unplayable. T2 not viable cuz its tier of 1 unit. And you need decent AT to deal with P4 or panter.
Maybe even buff su76 with cost increase
5 Dec 2015, 17:28 PM
#39
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jump backJump back to quoted post5 Dec 2015, 16:58 PMaaa
with curent patch su76 slightest nerf and game will be unplayable. T2 not viable cuz its tier of 1 unit. And you need decent AT to deal with P4 or panter.
Maybe even buff su76 with cost increase


OKW been OPKW doesn't mean we have to buff everything around.
5 Dec 2015, 17:34 PM
#40
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Nice one! I like all of those changes and I think you presented them in a great way.
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