Preview OKW vehicles:

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:16 AMFiresparks

now that the OKW is looking to lose their penalty, some of their vehicle should be nerfed.

walking stuka: this thing is a wipe machine. damage per rocket should be lowered to 160

Nope, only directional and if you watch closely you can dodge it many times

King Tiger: damage should be lowered to 160

Sounds decent, although it would be a more expensive IS-2 so that justifies it's higher dmg

Jzp4: lower accuracy to .3/.5 (same as stug and su-85)

Sounds decent

panther: lower accuracy to .3-.6 (same as wehr panther)

Fine

panzer 4 J: separate the skirt armor from the base unit, like previously.

Nope, this makes the 10 fuel difference of the unit

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:36 AMAchtAchter

You know that those vehicles still cost more than their counterparts?

Nerf all okw tanks, but give them no resource penalty... literally nothing changes about the current situation.

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:36 AMAchtAchter

You know that those vehicles still cost more than their counterparts?

Nerf all okw tanks, but give them no resource penalty... literally nothing changes about the current situation.

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:48 AMFiresparks

we are talking about a 50% increase in fuel and munition income for OKW. The okw panther for example is better than the wehr panther because of more accurate main gun and better mg. Now that the income is equalized there isn't really a good reason why the OKW panther should still be better.

The King Tiger is almost trivial to tech for considering its power. It is no longer the mythical beast it once was.

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:58 AMAchtAchter

The ostheer panther simply needs too much tech to unlock, he should be buffed tech cost wise, nerfing the OKW panther is not the proper approach towards that issue.
The KT still costs more than the other heavy tank, fuel wise and tech wise.

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 12:26 PMbroodwarjc

All of those changes sound horrible.

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 12:29 PMBananenheld

When I saw stuka wipe machine i knew it's a troll thread. Too often i saw a stuka Landing right on top of weapon Crews and inf and doing very little damage

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 12:36 PMAirborne

While the stuka wipes most of the time weapen crews, I mean if it hit .

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:16 AMFiresparks

now that the OKW is looking to lose their penalty, some of their vehicle should be nerfed.

walking stuka: this thing is a wipe machine. damage per rocket should be lowered to 160
It's designed to be a wipe machine. I'd prefer a cost increase.

King Tiger: damage should be lowered to 160
It kinda is its feature. Something needs to be buffed to compensate.

panther: lower accuracy to .3-.6 (same as wehr panther)
Ok

edited:
panzer 4 J: separate the skirt armor from the base unit, like previously. Lower the base cost to compensate.
Mirroring ost p4 is not a good solution for purposes of game design.

Jzp4: lower accuracy to .03/.05 (su-85 for comparison is .025-.05)
Ok

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 12:01 PMKatitof

You sure the issue isn't T4 level unit for T3 tech costs for OKW?
*looks at brits and comet place*

Previously the excuse was good-OKW couldn't get as many vehices as other armies, so they had easier access to more powerful tanks. The panther timing and "spammability" for OKW will cause balance issues now that penalties are gone.

By the time Ost will have their panther, OKW will be close to 2nd one, comet also arrives considerably later, USF and sov have nothing to compare to panther in their T3 and T4.

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:16 AMFiresparks

now that the OKW is looking to lose their penalty, some of their vehicle should be nerfed.

walking stuka: this thing is a wipe machine. damage per rocket should be lowered to 160

It's fine as it is.

King Tiger: damage should be lowered to 160

Then it needs some buff to compensate, maybe speed/acceleration/deceleration or rotate speed of turret?

panther: lower accuracy to .3-.6 (same as wehr panther)

I prefer to buff the wehr panther's accuracy to .3-.6 from .3-.5, actually it's a slight buff.

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panzer 4 J: separate the skirt armor from the base unit, like previously. Lower the base cost to compensate.

Why change a unit which is fine? Still has 640 HP and can be killed by 4 shots.

Jzp4: lower accuracy to .03/.05 (su-85 for comparison is .025-.05)

Sounds good. But buff their reload time to bring it in line with SU85 too ?

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 13:06 PMBananenheld

Whats the secret then? My mate and me Came up versus some maxim spam heavy builds recently and we tried stuka zu Fuß as a counter but we had very little success, is there any Trick to apply to wipe weapon Crews efficiently with it?

Sounds good. But buff their reload time to bring it in line with SU85 too ?

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2015, 03:58 AMFiresparks

the problem with panzer4 and the panther are that they are suppose to be the same unit as their wehr counterpart. Unless the guy at the factory skipped out on QA when making them they should be identical and I'm having difficulty justifying the difference.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2015, 04:09 AMbroodwarjc

They are not, the Wher ones are 1943 versions, the OKW are 1944-1945 versions.