Riflemen Vet breaks balance (with comparisons)

Jump back to quoted post16 Nov 2015, 05:33 AMWhat Doth Life?!

I feel like you aren't taking upgrades into account. LMG's and Panzershreks are markedly stronger than any allied upgrades. J. Lee has mentioned doing work on veterancy more than once on stream so "soon."

Jump back to quoted post16 Nov 2015, 05:41 AMmycalliope

or maybe u did not know all lmgs on infy are all almost same,bars cost less,thompson and ppsh are great now after buff,panzershreck is costly,bazooka is versatile and can be picked by any infy and is cheaper than shrecks...why dont you take that into account or what about free vehicle crew repairs..without any handicap to the faction..??

Jump back to quoted post16 Nov 2015, 05:45 AMWhat Doth Life?!

I am taking those factors into account and I didn't agree or disagree with your thesis. Saying PPSH are "great" seems to be an overstatement though.

Jump back to quoted post16 Nov 2015, 04:41 AMEtherealDragon

So Rifleman -43% + Grenadier +40% creates a net of -3%

Vs. Grenadier -23% + Rifleman 30% creates a net of +7% (although I believe Grenadier has a native -7% at Vet 0 if I'm not mistaken) so... Even.

Does seem that bad... or am I missing something here?

Jump back to quoted post16 Nov 2015, 05:41 AMmycalliope

or maybe u did not know all lmgs on infy are all almost same,bars cost less,thompson and ppsh are great now after buff,panzershreck is costly,bazooka is versatile and can be picked by any infy and is cheaper than shrecks...why dont you take that into account or what about free vehicle crew repairs..without any handicap to the faction..??

Jump back to quoted post16 Nov 2015, 05:57 AMFiresparks

that's not how math works

it's 1.40 x .77 x .80 = 0.8624

and

1.30 x .77 = 1.001


even with the old rifleman vet, it's still

1.4 x .77 = 1.078



bar cost the same as lmg42, 60 munition.

All the rifleman needed was a decrease in cost for the BAR, not a veterancy buff into terminators.


and probably a slight nerf to the grenadier's veterancy, specially the accuracy bonus to 30%

Jump back to quoted post16 Nov 2015, 06:07 AMmycalliope

i dont know what u mean by acuracy nerf to grens i mean its ok nothing wrong here....and what u say bout tommies..??

Jump back to quoted post16 Nov 2015, 06:29 AMFiresparks

the old received accuracy bonus on the rifleman and current grenadier is .77

the weapon accuracy bonus on the grenadier is 1.40

1.4 x .77 = 1.078, or 107.8%. This mean that at vet3, the grenadier gain a net 7.8 % increase in accuracy against rifleman.

by comparison, the weapon accuracy bonus on the rifleman is 1.30

1.3 x .77 = 1.001, or 100.1%. The rifleman gain a net .1% increase in accuracy against grenadier, an insignificant amount.

this mean the grenadier had a 7.7% advantage in accuracy when both units are vet3. The accuracy bonus on the grenadier should be lowered to 1.3 since that would cause the received accuracy and weapon accuracy bonus to cancel each other out.

and here's an earlier thread I made on the british, although the value should be revised a bit if the grenadier get a nerf to accuracy bonus.

http://www.coh2.org/post/create/thread_id/43984/quote/430149

Jump back to quoted post16 Nov 2015, 06:36 AMmycalliope

so does weapon accuracy is per model or whole squad..i mean if it is per model then it should be fine on gren as they have lower model count than rifles otherwise if it is whole squad then yeah you are definitely right..otherwise point well made

Jump back to quoted post16 Nov 2015, 07:16 AMFiresparks

does it matter if it's per model or per squad? I doubt there's a distinction.

in the end the wehr is paying 60 mp per man and the US is paying 56 mp per man.