Riflemen Vet breaks balance (with comparisons)

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Vs. Grenadier -23% + Rifleman 30% creates a net of +7% (although I believe Grenadier has a native -7% at Vet 0 if I'm not mistaken) so... Even.
Does seem that bad... or am I missing something here?
Now I'll admit that Rifleman Vet3 places Vet 0/1 Grens at a pretty bad disadvantage but squad preservation should be rewarded and Vet 0/1 squads will struggle versus any Vet 3 squad.

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Seriously, I havent met anyone palying with ass gren lately. even if the do pick the commander, they never used the ass gren. only the stug E as a fast light veh. counter


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I feel like you aren't taking upgrades into account. LMG's and Panzershreks are markedly stronger than any allied upgrades. J. Lee has mentioned doing work on veterancy more than once on stream so "soon."
or maybe u did not know all lmgs on infy are all almost same,bars cost less,thompson and ppsh are great now after buff,panzershreck is costly,bazooka is versatile and can be picked by any infy and is cheaper than shrecks...why dont you take that into account or what about free vehicle crew repairs..without any handicap to the faction..??


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or maybe u did not know all lmgs on infy are all almost same,bars cost less,thompson and ppsh are great now after buff,panzershreck is costly,bazooka is versatile and can be picked by any infy and is cheaper than shrecks...why dont you take that into account or what about free vehicle crew repairs..without any handicap to the faction..??
I am taking those factors into account and I didn't agree or disagree with your thesis. Saying PPSH are "great" seems to be an overstatement though.

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I am taking those factors into account and I didn't agree or disagree with your thesis. Saying PPSH are "great" seems to be an overstatement though.
try them at vet 3 cons they are great due to combined health of cons at vet 3 they got buffed recently and the ppsh also got buffed

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So Rifleman -43% + Grenadier +40% creates a net of -3%
Vs. Grenadier -23% + Rifleman 30% creates a net of +7% (although I believe Grenadier has a native -7% at Vet 0 if I'm not mistaken) so... Even.
Does seem that bad... or am I missing something here?
that's not how math works
it's 1.40 x .77 x .80 = 0.8624
and
1.30 x .77 = 1.001
even with the old rifleman vet, it's still
1.4 x .77 = 1.078
or maybe u did not know all lmgs on infy are all almost same,bars cost less,thompson and ppsh are great now after buff,panzershreck is costly,bazooka is versatile and can be picked by any infy and is cheaper than shrecks...why dont you take that into account or what about free vehicle crew repairs..without any handicap to the faction..??
bar cost the same as lmg42, 60 munition.
All the rifleman needed was a decrease in cost for the BAR, not a veterancy buff into terminators.
and probably a slight nerf to the grenadier's veterancy, specially the accuracy bonus to 30%

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that's not how math works
it's 1.40 x .77 x .80 = 0.8624
and
1.30 x .77 = 1.001
even with the old rifleman vet, it's still
1.4 x .77 = 1.078
bar cost the same as lmg42, 60 munition.
All the rifleman needed was a decrease in cost for the BAR, not a veterancy buff into terminators.
and probably a slight nerf to the grenadier's veterancy, specially the accuracy bonus to 30%
ah ok..just checked the you are right i thouhg lmg was 75 muni..wel whatever...THe bar i checked got their on move accuracy buffed so they are much better on move...and yes i said then the relic released the patch notes the same thing but no one listened,i dont know what u mean by acuracy nerf to grens i mean its ok nothing wrong here....and what u say bout tommies..??

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i dont know what u mean by acuracy nerf to grens i mean its ok nothing wrong here....and what u say bout tommies..??
the old received accuracy bonus on the rifleman and current grenadier is .77
the weapon accuracy bonus on the grenadier is 1.40
1.4 x .77 = 1.078, or 107.8%. This mean that at vet3, the grenadier gain a net 7.8 % increase in accuracy against rifleman.
by comparison, the weapon accuracy bonus on the rifleman is 1.30
1.3 x .77 = 1.001, or 100.1%. The rifleman gain a net .1% increase in accuracy against grenadier, an insignificant amount.
this mean the grenadier had a 7.7% advantage in accuracy when both units are vet3. The accuracy bonus on the grenadier should be lowered to 1.3 since that would cause the received accuracy and weapon accuracy bonus to cancel each other out.
and here's an earlier thread I made on the british, although the value should be revised a bit if the grenadier get a nerf to accuracy bonus.
http://www.coh2.org/post/create/thread_id/43984/quote/430149

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the old received accuracy bonus on the rifleman and current grenadier is .77
the weapon accuracy bonus on the grenadier is 1.40
1.4 x .77 = 1.078, or 107.8%. This mean that at vet3, the grenadier gain a net 7.8 % increase in accuracy against rifleman.
by comparison, the weapon accuracy bonus on the rifleman is 1.30
1.3 x .77 = 1.001, or 100.1%. The rifleman gain a net .1% increase in accuracy against grenadier, an insignificant amount.
this mean the grenadier had a 7.7% advantage in accuracy when both units are vet3. The accuracy bonus on the grenadier should be lowered to 1.3 since that would cause the received accuracy and weapon accuracy bonus to cancel each other out.
and here's an earlier thread I made on the british, although the value should be revised a bit if the grenadier get a nerf to accuracy bonus.
http://www.coh2.org/post/create/thread_id/43984/quote/430149
so does weapon accuracy is per model or whole squad..i mean if it is per model then it should be fine on gren as they have lower model count than rifles otherwise if it is whole squad then yeah you are definitely right..otherwise point well made

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There's a reason the commander was banned for OCF, yet Relic saw this and did nothing to balance them ...

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so does weapon accuracy is per model or whole squad..i mean if it is per model then it should be fine on gren as they have lower model count than rifles otherwise if it is whole squad then yeah you are definitely right..otherwise point well made
does it matter if it's per model or per squad? I doubt there's a distinction.
in the end the wehr is paying 60 mp per man and the US is paying 56 mp per man.

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does it matter if it's per model or per squad? I doubt there's a distinction.
in the end the wehr is paying 60 mp per man and the US is paying 56 mp per man.
no i think i dont know if it was cruzzi or miragefla....someone said that the extra accuracy is to compensate for extra models for rifles...also yes you pay for them but it makes the squad more survivable...maybe u can check gren vs rifle vanilla in cheat mod..??

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USF need non-doctrinal Pershing and P-47. In trade can sacrifice strong infantry.
But now is only advance of USF riflemans.

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Yea keep on whining, that will surely help to get the problem solved

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