Obers
15 Nov 2015, 11:42 AM
#1
Posts: 281
These units are currently only efficence when they have there mg. I think there cost efficence without a upgrade need to be buffed, and a small mg damdge nerf. So that they get better stock without making them to powerfull upragded. Because currently they don't perform good for there cost.
15 Nov 2015, 11:57 AM
#2
1 
Posts: 311
These units are currently only efficence when they have there mg. I think there cost efficence without a upgrade need to be buffed, and a small mg damdge nerf. So that they get better stock without making them to powerfull upragded. Because currently they don't perform good for there cost.
Therefore you should use them with LMGs or StG44s. Problem solved.
15 Nov 2015, 12:07 PM
#3
Posts: 4630 | Subs: 2
You realize that full Obers squad without LMG has DPS similar to LMG Grens?
15 Nov 2015, 12:17 PM
#4
Posts: 721
they suck just revert the changes of second nerf the damage back to 8 from 6.....note this damage is after all lmgs were reworked obers were terminator before first nerf not after it....i mean so much for honour guard
15 Nov 2015, 12:40 PM
#5
Posts: 281
You realize that full Obers squad without LMG has DPS similar to LMG Grens?
You realise that Obers are a very expensive infantry and locked behind tier 4.
15 Nov 2015, 12:47 PM
#6
Posts: 721
You realise that Obers are a very expensive infantry and locked behind tier 4.
and have high pop cap and can be easily wiped
15 Nov 2015, 12:55 PM
#7
Posts: 500
LMG should come with the Obers, no unlock. Would solve a lot of problems.
15 Nov 2015, 12:56 PM
#8
Posts: 4630 | Subs: 2
You realise that Obers are a very expensive infantry and locked behind tier 4.
400MP and DPS of 240MP+60ammo unit. Seems fair. If you change 60 ammo for MP according to 5:2:1(or something like that) income, you will get quite similar price.
In other words, I find they price jusified, just like T4 requirement.
PS
The same way we could say that Paras or Rangers are only useful with Thompsons/LMGs.
15 Nov 2015, 13:12 PM
#9
1 
Posts: 2885
Obers are powerfull units. Ofc they are not as spammable as grens but they do their job in late game just fine without being OP. Or at least they are not OP till vet4, then... you know what happens on vet4 dont you?
OKWs problems are in early - mid game not in late game when they still most potent.
Btw. They are in fact more potent than lmg grens without the upgrade, as they can chase and kill retreating squads. They can also change face of fire much faster.
OKWs problems are in early - mid game not in late game when they still most potent.
Btw. They are in fact more potent than lmg grens without the upgrade, as they can chase and kill retreating squads. They can also change face of fire much faster.
15 Nov 2015, 13:42 PM
#10
Posts: 830
STG 44 Obers still destroy anything that isn't medium armor and above, apart from Stuart and T70.
15 Nov 2015, 14:13 PM
#11
Posts: 323
and have high pop cap and can be easily wiped
"easily wiped"
Look at stats, obers are one of the more resilient squad IG
And all the squad are "easily wiped" by explosives, mines etc etc
15 Nov 2015, 14:17 PM
#12
Posts: 281
400MP and DPS of 240MP+60ammo unit. Seems fair. If you change 60 ammo for MP according to 5:2:1(or something like that) income, you will get quite similar price.
In other words, I find they price jusified, just like T4 requirement.
PS
The same way we could say that Paras or Rangers are only useful with Thompsons/LMGs.
Doesn't Paras got a higher dps in ranges shorter than 19 and 2 more man? Sure obers got a better accuration modifer and dps but they are more expensive.
15 Nov 2015, 14:27 PM
#13
Posts: 4630 | Subs: 2
Doesn't Paras got a higher dps in ranges shorter than 19 and 2 more man? Sure obers got a better accuration modifer and dps but they are more expensive.
More expensive by 20?
Yes, you are right, but why would you charge for close combat with obers in the first place?
15 Nov 2015, 14:40 PM
#14
Posts: 281
Paratroopers can drop in enywhere, and they can inclose.
15 Nov 2015, 14:41 PM
#15
Posts: 500
400MP and DPS of 240MP+60ammo unit. Seems fair. If you change 60 ammo for MP according to 5:2:1(or something like that) income, you will get quite similar price.
In other words, I find they price jusified, just like T4 requirement.
PS
The same way we could say that Paras or Rangers are only useful with Thompsons/LMGs.
In this case you end up with an MP price of 450mp for the Grenadiers. And when exactly did we start converting munitions?
15 Nov 2015, 14:48 PM
#16
Posts: 4630 | Subs: 2
Paratroopers can drop in enywhere, and they can inclose.
Not really.
Sure, you can drop them into FoG but:
1. Enemy will see plane
2. Paras will lose some models
3. Closing in with Paras without thompsons is kinda pointless.
4. Even if you drop them behind lines, and hide them, you must wait ages for upgrade.
5. Chance of droppinf into FoG, without losing models and without being noticed by enemy's troops is really, really low.
These leave them useless for ambush/assault behind lines. Opposite to Falsch who are spawned without your enemy knowledge, already equipped with powerful guns.
In this case you end up with an MP price of 450mp for the Grenadiers. And when exactly did we start converting munitions?
So in the end, you have 400MP unit with DPS of unit which equivalent is 450MP. How does that prove Obers weakness without LMG? I find it opposite
15 Nov 2015, 14:52 PM
#17
Posts: 721
"easily wiped"
Look at stats, obers are one of the more resilient squad IG
And all the squad are "easily wiped" by explosives, mines etc etc
yeah fair point easy wipe not exclusive to obers..but many other low squad units..?? i don't know why would u think otherwise from my comment !
15 Nov 2015, 15:03 PM
#18
Posts: 500
So in the end, you have 400MP unit with DPS of unit which equivalent is 450MP. How does that prove Obers weakness without LMG? I find it opposite
I didn't say anything about Obers being weak, and we just applied a random arbitrary exchange rate for mp to muni. The tiering restrictions were also excluded.
15 Nov 2015, 15:06 PM
#19
Posts: 363
can any1 tell me if STG upgrade on ober good at long range or Medium?..cause i use at long range it did Quite well with unit behind cover, except the 1 that dealing dmg is the 2 Kar98k dude,
15 Nov 2015, 15:09 PM
#20
Posts: 721
can any1 tell me if STG upgrade on ober good at long range or Medium?..cause i use at long range it did Quite well with unit behind cover, except the 1 that dealing dmg is the 2 Kar98k dude,
medium behind cover is the best way to use stg44
2 users are browsing this thread:
2 guests
Livestreams
 |
|
|
37 | ||
|
|
|
|
16 | ||
|
|
|
|
2 | ||
 |
|
|
138 | ||
|
|
|
|
18 | ||
|
|
|
|
2 | ||
|
|
|
|
2 | ||
|
|
|
|
2 | ||
|
|
|
|
1 | ||
 |
|
|
1 |
Ladders Top 10
-
#Steam AliasWL%Streak
- 1.831222.789+37
- 2.34957.860+14
- 3.589215.733+4
- 4.1101614.642+2
- 5.305114.728+1
- 6.916405.693-2
- 7.271108.715+22
- 8.721440.621+3
- 9.1041674.607-2
- 10.17146.788+1
Data provided by
Relic Entertainment
Relic Entertainment
Replay highlight
VS
-
cblanco ★ -
보드카 중대
-
VonManteuffel -
Heartless Jäger
Einhoven Country
Honor it
9
Download
1231
Board Info
912 users are online:
912 guests
1 post in the last 24h
8 posts in the last week
38 posts in the last month
8 posts in the last week
38 posts in the last month
Registered members: 49082
Welcome our newest member, 23winlocker
Most online: 2043 users on 29 Oct 2023, 01:04 AM
Welcome our newest member, 23winlocker
Most online: 2043 users on 29 Oct 2023, 01:04 AM