Why do S mines have signs?

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 04:22 AMUnited

I thought the whole point of mines was to use surprise. S mines are the most expensive mines in the game, and they come with signs. Why?

-all mines can squad wipe

-all mines except S mines do engine damage

-S mines require consistant procs to squad wipe

Please dont say something about "area denial" we are talking about mines here and sweepers are not hard.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 08:01 AMCookiezNcreem

well ill be, counterplay you say. but did you know that riflemen dont say anything when walking into S-mines? So unless you're the GOD at micro himself, while microing ur other precious usf units,theyll just walk into these suggested invisible 15 muni 5 seconds to build s-mines that OP wants and die! Silently! You wont even notice till you see that unit icon disapear off the unit bar out of the corner of your eye,and hear "we've lost a unit!" SINCE RIFLEMEN DONT USE A VOICE LINE FOR MINEFIELDS.


S-mines would need a massive nurf if they are gonna be invisible.

BTW lets not act like Grens always die to one soviet mine,and if ur walking grens into territory sov has owned for most of the game without sweeping ur a n00b anyway. Thats just coh2 1oh1.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 08:08 AMBananenheld

k im a n00b, allied mines rarely wipe squads(again i never said always, why do people always try to put words in my mouth? i clearly said "MORE OFTEN THAN YOU THINK") and finally, how often do you see sminefields ingame? how often did they build them in tournaments?

ps: did you kow grens dont tell anything about mines too when their are wiped? lol

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 08:08 AMBananenheld

"meanwhile axis 4 man squads just gets deleted in 0.1 seconds without counterplay (except sweeper). sminefield you still got 2 seconds to retreat."

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 08:08 AMBananenheld

"no counterplay" "Deleted in 0.1 seconds!"

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 04:39 AMCookiezNcreem

Unless you have instant reflexes, you can't react to an S Mine on the flanks for example. Your squad will just die.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 04:39 AMCookiezNcreem

implies that it gets one shotted all the time. Because otherwise the counterplay is to fucking retreat your 1,2 man squad because it was just one mine and your squad is still alive despite your micro mistake of not having a sweeper at 100000% all times,not 4 small ones that your squad will wipeitself over while continuing to walk into it.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 04:59 AMSpaceHamster

The fun part about S-mines is when you sneak your pios to the back and put it on a retreat path. Then watch a bunch of rifle squads run back to base through it. Insta gg right there.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 08:18 AMCookiezNcreem

Dude seriouslee? If riflemen dont say shit when getting oneshotted even in the unbuffed state of s-mines,why would we buff the one-shot s-mines to be like soviet ones????

Because fuck USF? I mean why?





implies that it gets one shotted all the time. Because otherwise the counterplay is to fucking retreat your 1,2 man squad because it was just one mine and your squad is still alive despite your micro mistake of not having a sweeper at 100000% all times,not 4 small ones that your squad will wipeitself over while continuing to walk into it.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 08:24 AMBananenheld

you are seriouslee confused my friend. that doenst imply(implying my ass, thats putting words in my mouth. im responsible for things i say, not for things you think im saying) anything related to how often it happends. (but im not a native english speaker so please enlight me in which way i said it always happends)
we dont want to buff smines either, we want to remove the sign or replace it with the same mine the allys got. did someone piss in your coffee this morning?

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 08:22 AMKreatiir

Unless you have instant reflexes, you an't react to an soviet mine on the flanks for example. Your squad will just die.

It makes no sense to have signs on this man, absolutely not.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 08:32 AMCookiezNcreem

........ if you remove the sign then you buff them to be exactly like soviet ones except unlike soviet ones youll always lose a whole squad if you "accidentally" walk into these on the flank because riflemen dont have voice lines to alert you of them dying. We're over that comparison now, hopefully.



see above pls.

Its been proven that they dont one shot a squad everytime you stumble onto them. If its happening to you alot I suggest rubbing a genie lamp or something for good luck. So please stop using that argument

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 08:32 AMCookiezNcreem

Its been proven that they(SOVIET MINES) dont one shot a squad everytime you stumble onto them. If its happening to you alot I suggest rubbing a genie lamp or something for good luck. So please stop using that argument

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 08:35 AMKreatiir

Whatever dude. Looks like there is not point in reasoning with you.

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Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 08:46 AMCookiezNcreem

how am i gonna reason with your logic when im one of the biggest usf fanbois on this forum and i still have more axis games and therefore more expierience against these nuclear soviet mines than you?

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 08:47 AMBananenheld

because allied mines are nuclear since a patch 1-2 months ago, your ranks are all on hold so you didnt play that many axis game in that time, heh?

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 09:00 AMCookiezNcreem

ok I guess 2v2 doesnt count. anyway

I did a test with soviet mines



4 man gren squad only got one-shot wiped once out of 9 tries,and that was only when i purposefully bunched up their formation myself. Otherwise they took anywhere between 1 and 3 losses,depending on bunchyness. Squads get wiped when they bunch up around corners or into doors, not in wide open fields or long corridors, which isnt a problem with the soviet mine,but a problem with squad bunchy wedgie ai.

Meanwhile,s-mines still wipe whole rifle squads if ur not 1000% on ur game,regardless of how much they bunch up.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 09:06 AMBananenheld

1 from 10 on open field means alot tbh. now imagine semoski or other more narrow maps and there you have your good chance of a wipe.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 09:08 AMCookiezNcreem

Ok so whats our plan of action then? Do we nerf squad bunching, or buff s-mines to further exacerbate the issue of one shots in coh2??

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 09:37 AMwuff

The real question is, are s-minefields effective and balanced in game? and the answer is yes.

So why change them?

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 09:44 AMBananenheld

how often do you see them? at my noob elo never and all the games i watched in ocf noone did build one too. so maybe theres a sweet spot between highest skilled and noobs were everyone is building these "fine" mines.