Why do S mines have signs?

Jump back to quoted post12 Nov 2015, 20:03 PMferwiner

Wait, so what you are saying is that mines should wipe? Like what? Especially 15 muni mines? Man come on, one wipe is a loss in every single equal matchup. There is no way any mines should wipe full health squads, especially spammable cheap mines that cover huge are so it is harder to miss them...

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2015, 02:49 AMJunaid

No no you misunderstood me. I said that all factions' mines will wipe if you make a field of 4 in a square (like the s mines) and someone keeps running on them i.e. keeps running in the minefield AFTER the first explosion or they are in the retreat path.

Basically I was countering someone else who said 'well s mines have better wipe chances'.

I'm not in favour of random wipes plz

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2015, 07:59 AMferwiner

It's not that easy. Every 15 muni sector of s-mines is 4 mines. Whole minefield is 16 mines. For 60 muni, that's quite a lot isn't it? To build 4 mines as any other faction you need 120 muni. That is more than a demo. That basically means its not either optimal or affordable, so nobody does it.

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2015, 09:13 AMJunaid

If you saw my earlier post I mentioned how it's cheaper but the tradeoff is lack of AT capability

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2015, 14:14 PMferwiner

Its not only cheaper than standard "spammable" mine. Its 8 times cheaper! Half of the price for no damage against tanks (but still does significant damage to light vehicles), half for inability to make less than 4 of them and half for the signs. Here you have it. If you want to make them twice as expensive but without signs it would couse two things: close to nobody would use them (120 muni in bank? as ostheer?) but if somebody does it will couse pure frustration on the allied side as there is hardly any counterplay, is that what you want?

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2015, 17:19 PMJunaid

Please. You said it's 15 muni per mine. Thats half of 30. Now you're saying it's 8 times cheaper?

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2015, 17:21 PMKatitof

Its 15 muni for a batch of 4 mines, 2 are enough to wipe squad.
Or 30 muni for 8 mines.

Do the math.

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2015, 17:19 PMJunaid

Please. You said it's 15 muni per mine. Thats half of 30. Now you're saying it's 8 times cheaper?

All I'm saying it it already pays for the cheapness by being AI only. There's exactly one vehicle which needs to fear it: the m3. Anything else will come out alive no trouble. Therefore it shouldn't be punished by having signs too.

My only point us that it shouldn't have signs

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2015, 21:53 PM__deleted__

Each patch have 4 mines from russian defensive doctrine (20 munny)

Also have you ever tried cover them with mg 42 and place teller in those S-mines , it is almost guaranteed vehicle kill

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2015, 20:11 PMferwiner

Each patch is 4 mines. Each of these mines is equal in size to standard mine making it as possible to hit as standard mines. Two of them can wipe a squad so whole 15 muni patch can potentially wipe twice. There is no point to refer to whole minefield in any way as every patch can be placed separately no problem.

It is also not true that only m3 takes damage from it. What about wc51, m20, UC, greyhound, captured axis light vehicles? Even flak ht takes damage.

Now read my posts again, this time trying to understand them.

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2015, 21:53 PM__deleted__

Each patch have 4 mines from russian defensive doctrine (20 munny)