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Lets increase T34/85 range to 60 and pen to 200-180 for the same reasons in relation to SU-85!
After all they had the same gun!
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Yes, although I'm not sure if that's relevant. Giving it more penetration isn't exactly going to make it overpowering in the early-game when the best-armoured vehicle around is a Stuart.
Yes, but it can be circle-strafed (not that it should be), is completely useless against infantry and (ignoring its teching costs) is rather expensive relative to other medium tanks and tank destroyers.
Long story short - this change would only boost the Jagdpanzer's performance against a few Allied units like the Churchill. Its effectiveness against medium tanks would be more-or-less unchanged. And keep in mind that, with the OKW fuel penality, this vehicle costs as much as two StuGs (against, ignoring teching costs).
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This is the precise kind of speculative noob thread that Relic seems to base their balancing on whenever they put unnecessary/over nerfs/buffs into the game. Just STAHP!
Anyone who has ever actually played with or against the JPIV knows it is fine. Anyone who reads stats but doesn't play says this kind of nonsense.
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You're missing the crux of OP's argument.
The argument is historical guns and consistency, not "Jp4 is UP".
It can be compensated by increased reload time, reduced accuracy etc.
(FYI, other things should be reworked like kubels should get one shotted by ATGs and SU-76 should have better AI performance and worse AT performance, as history goes)
And I really don't buy the balance > history argument if it goes too far. If you want to see 4-5 SU-76s fighting and killing KTs frontally (where you can in CoH2), go and play DOW2 instead. Of course you have to try to stick to the history to some extent.
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You're missing the crux of OP's argument.
The argument is historical guns and consistency, not "Jp4 is UP".
It can be compensated by increased reload time, reduced accuracy etc.
(FYI, other things should be reworked like kubels should get one shotted by ATGs and SU-76 should have better AI performance and worse AT performance, as history goes)
And I really don't buy the balance > history argument if it goes too far. If you want to see 4-5 SU-76s fighting and killing KTs frontally (where you can in CoH2), go and play DOW2 instead. Of course you have to try to stick to the history to some extent.
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If you don't buy the balance > history, then you should be really against the IR halftrack with x-ray vision (which exists only in comic books), cloaking JP4 (borrowed from Star Trek), PAK43 whose shells phase out of existence and then magically reappear to destroy Allied tanks (also borrowed from Star Trek).
Or is it that you just want to cherry pick the "historical" arguments....
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I'm not asking for a buff, im looking at how it can be tweaked. Because the JP4 certainly doesn't need a buff.
Historical accuracy for infantry squads is impossible because if there was that we would be running around with 10 man squads.
However, for Tank combat, its certainly possible. I don't see why historical accuracy can be maintained for tanks. so you think a pack of SU-76s taking out KTs from the front is reasonable for instance? There was a reason why the Sovs developed the SU-85 and SU-100.
I've seen many vet 3-5 JP4s in my time as well, doesn't mean that the unit can't be tweaked so its buffed in some aspects and nerfed in others to compensate.
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This is the precise kind of speculative noob thread that Relic seems to base their balancing on whenever they put unnecessary/over nerfs/buffs into the game. Just STAHP!
Anyone who has ever actually played with or against the JPIV knows it is fine. Anyone who reads stats but doesn't play says this kind of nonsense.
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