Why is Air Superiority "OP" ?

Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2015, 18:33 PMAngryKitten465

So it was designed to totally annihilate OKW trucks and make them lose the ability to make certain units and in 99% of the cases lose the game. Legit, nice design there.

Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2015, 21:27 PMTatatala

I can kill a truck with a 320MP unit. Why should a 325 muni 12cp ability not be able to kill a truck?

I'll tell you why, because you like to camp behind all your bases in one spot. That's why you're crying.

Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2015, 21:35 PMIron Emperor

Hmm, a 250 ammo ability (concentrated barage) still takes out a OKW truck 100%. It's not fair in the terms of gameplay. Where as you first had to use a bit more skill into it

Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2015, 10:56 AMRedT3rror

Countless times I´ve heard people complaining about Air Superiority being "OP". However, I can't figure out why there are so many people joining the chorus which has even led to a massive nerf of that ability in the october Preview. I personally have yet to experience high casualties due to that 325 mun ability... apart from 1 wiped Gren squad and a dozen of destroyed Battlegroup HQ.

I've always made it out in time. The big red circle and the huge amount flares which are coming down are extremely obvious. Identifying the doctrine isn't hard either, thanks to Commandos.

So, I tested. I put a Jagdtiger (no engine uprade) into the middle of Rhine crossing. Then I placed the offmap behind the Jagdtiger and once the red flares had landed on the ground, I ordered him to retreat. He had to retreat trough the whole circle and made it out in time with just a scratch (1 bomb landed near him).

So, what's the problem?

Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2015, 23:43 PMmortiferum

I have a better solution.

Give OKW and Ostheer strategic bombing to mirror operation Steinbock and bombing of Stalingrad respectively in a separate doctrine.

Problem solved. That way, UK emplacements can all get wiped like OKW trucks since they are all "too close together" and "built too aggressively" as suggested by other members.

Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2015, 21:44 PMTatatala

There are lots of things that take out OKW trucks. Lots. What do players do then? They rebuild them.

So why is there so much hate for this ability? Because of the campers. Two or more bases in very close proximity getting rekt by an anti camp ability that comes late in the game.

OKW players want their med HQ next to their Flak HQ, to protect their le.IG's, so that they can forget about them, and let them bomb the enemy all game with impunity. So, the brits have a measure that kills this plan late game, and now the whining starts.

1 truck dead for 325 muni's is a great deal for OKW. It's not the singular truck that is the problem though is it? Nope, despite the protestations to the contrary, it's actually for the very reason I state above.

Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2015, 23:43 PMmortiferum

I have a better solution.

Give OKW and Ostheer strategic bombing to mirror operation Steinbock and bombing of Stalingrad respectively in a separate doctrine.

Problem solved. That way, UK emplacements can all get wiped like OKW trucks since they are all "too close together" and "built too aggressively" as suggested by other members.

Jump back to quoted post12 Oct 2015, 06:12 AMJohnnyB

Bad idea. If those emplacements were tier buildings, I would agree too. The only way this would be fair, is if this carpet bombing can be directed on allied bases after spotting them in FOW.

Jump back to quoted post12 Oct 2015, 06:21 AMEsxile

Deal, if you need that to win a game.

Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2015, 21:44 PMTatatala

There are lots of things that take out OKW trucks. Lots. What do players do then? They rebuild them.

So why is there so much hate for this ability? Because of the campers. Two or more bases in very close proximity getting rekt by an anti camp ability that comes late in the game.

OKW players want their med HQ next to their Flak HQ, to protect their le.IG's, so that they can forget about them, and let them bomb the enemy all game with impunity. So, the brits have a measure that kills this plan late game, and now the whining starts.

1 truck dead for 325 muni's is a great deal for OKW. It's not the singular truck that is the problem though is it? Nope, despite the protestations to the contrary, it's actually for the very reason I state above.

Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2015, 21:27 PMTatatala

I can kill a truck with a 320MP unit. Why should a 325 muni 12cp ability not be able to kill a truck?

I'll tell you why, because you like to camp behind all your bases in one spot. That's why you're crying.

Jump back to quoted post12 Oct 2015, 08:11 AMSwonVIP

That goes without saying the ability is very expensive but there shouldnt be so expensive OP abilities ingame. 1000ammo for a "win the game nuke"

Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2015, 12:04 PMAngryKitten465

I heard people tell me the bomber planes should be able to be countered by aa OKW emplacements and Schwere Panzer HQ.

There are no planes, the bombs spawn in mid air

I remember this ability to be an old Axis ability first. It was removed due to people complaining that is was OP and biased towards Axis. Now that it is back, but in Allied hands, it suddenly is justified by an enormous muni cost. People make no sense to me, the ability should not wipe full health OKW trucks, things like this shouldn't even be in the game. The most offending thing is that the ability can be called in upon base sectors as well, annihilating OKW trucks in base sector as well.

I ask of you, how much fun would it be for you if 10 Luftwaffe planes come flying into your Soviet base and destroy your T4 and T3 or either one, needing you to spend another 120-200 something fuel on teching, again. For OKW this means, waiting for another truck to be deployed and placing it again. This is a huge penalty for a fuel starved faction.

Why they decided to return the ability, is beyond me.

Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2015, 12:04 PMAngryKitten465

I remember this ability to be an old Axis ability first. It was removed due to people complaining that is was OP and biased towards Axis. Now that it is back, but in Allied hands, it suddenly is justified by an enormous muni cost. People make no sense to me, the ability should not wipe full health OKW trucks, things like this shouldn't even be in the game. The most offending thing is that the ability can be called in upon base sectors as well, annihilating OKW trucks in base sector as well.

Jump back to quoted post12 Oct 2015, 11:14 AMKatitof

Yeah.
That.

Not anything to do with the fact that wehr version was cheaper, had same effectiveness, came at 6 CP and the doctrine had menpower to muni instant conversion ability without cooldown, together with three other completely and utterly overpowered things.

Jump back to quoted post12 Oct 2015, 06:12 AMJohnnyB

Bad idea. If those emplacements were tier buildings, I would agree too. The only way this would be fair, is if this carpet bombing can be directed on allied bases after spotting them in FOW.

Jump back to quoted post12 Oct 2015, 11:14 AMKatitof

Yeah.
That.

Not anything to do with the fact that wehr version was cheaper, had same effectiveness, came at 6 CP and the doctrine had menpower to muni instant conversion ability without cooldown, together with three other completely and utterly overpowered things.