Commandos are too good I think. Shouldn't be so easy to wipe squads.
Doesn't need to be anything radical, just tone down their effectiveness a bit to be more inline with sturmpios or grenadiers. 5 man SMG squad with cloak, grenades, det packs etc is already pretty good.
5 men commando squad
8 Oct 2015, 07:58 AM
#41
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8 Oct 2015, 07:59 AM
#42
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recived accuracy -20% something like most infantry squad do, and no you want to overnerf them
Overnerf? How? Removing gimmick like features isn't nerfing, it is centered around using common sense and a non biased look.
The nerfs are actually towing down the dps and the their cloaking capabilities in combat.
Whenever I face USF as OKW, it feels like I have been strapped down into a mental hospital wheelchair, with legs that can't reach the floor to move myself forward and a nurse is trying to move the wheelchair backwards whilst I have to race a formula one car for a best of three laps.
It feels handicapped from the start
No thumbs, cute and a lot of furry fluffiness, I am the ultimate kitten and by the heavens, am I angry!
It feels handicapped from the start
No thumbs, cute and a lot of furry fluffiness, I am the ultimate kitten and by the heavens, am I angry!
8 Oct 2015, 08:50 AM
#43
Posts: 1930
Overnerf? How? Removing gimmick like features isn't nerfing, it is centered around using common sense and a non biased look.
The nerfs are actually towing down the dps and the their cloaking capabilities in combat.
the commandos are "front loaded". Most of their vets are basically abilities like the smokes and their direct combat veterancy bonus is probably the weakest in the entire game.
it's like the commandos are already vet3 coming out of the glider and you're basically earning vet4 and 5.
8 Oct 2015, 09:11 AM
#44
Posts: 1439
Adjust their DPS, tad longer fuse on grenade and they're fine.
There is no need for survivability increase as you should use cloack to engage and disengage combat.
There is no need for survivability increase as you should use cloack to engage and disengage combat.
8 Oct 2015, 09:12 AM
#45
Posts: 1439
Adjust their DPS, tad longer fuse on grenade and they're fine.
There is no need for survivability increase as you should use cloa
ck to engage and disengage combat.
8 Oct 2015, 09:29 AM
#46
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the commandos are "front loaded". Most of their vets are basically abilities like the smokes and their direct combat veterancy bonus is probably the weakest in the entire game.
it's like the commandos are already vet3 coming out of the glider and you're basically earning vet4 and 5.
Do you even realise what you just said?
Whenever I face USF as OKW, it feels like I have been strapped down into a mental hospital wheelchair, with legs that can't reach the floor to move myself forward and a nurse is trying to move the wheelchair backwards whilst I have to race a formula one car for a best of three laps.
It feels handicapped from the start
No thumbs, cute and a lot of furry fluffiness, I am the ultimate kitten and by the heavens, am I angry!
It feels handicapped from the start
No thumbs, cute and a lot of furry fluffiness, I am the ultimate kitten and by the heavens, am I angry!
8 Oct 2015, 12:40 PM
#47
Posts: 348
This makes no sense, to give them cloak just for the sake of one unit that might be on the field. The cloak in cover is not the problem, the cloak on open ground in the middle of fights or just simply running around the field cloaked is just pure bullshit. It makes them overpowered and you know it.
They only cloak in cover, hyperbole plis.
Ah yes the unfair 1 second grenade is totally justified by claiming the commandos are a "high alpha strike unit". What was I thinking? I totally agree, your commandos should also have at capabilities right of the bat, sounds great. I think I will incorporate this in my OP.
Your use of irony and sarcasm in place of logical argument is telling of your plight.
You do realize that this suggestion might actually make things worse? Their ambush bonus applies when they are cloaked, but you seem to forget that they are cloaked 80% of the time. They run around cloaked and can become cloaked just in front of units. This would mean that they constantly deliver an ambush bonus, which would't make a very different situation from the one we have right now. They would still rape units like there is no tomorrow.
>Make it so they only cloak in cover... then they'll be cloaked 40% of the time.
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8 Oct 2015, 13:03 PM
#48
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they should do a little less damage and the light gammon bomb should have a slightly smaller AoE.
I don't like the idea of a cost increase because plenty of british abilities cost too much and are too strong. Commandos are just one example.
I also don't like the idea of longer fuse time because as a close combat squad they should have a grenade, not a satchel charge.
I don't like the idea of a cost increase because plenty of british abilities cost too much and are too strong. Commandos are just one example.
I also don't like the idea of longer fuse time because as a close combat squad they should have a grenade, not a satchel charge.
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8 Oct 2015, 14:15 PM
#49
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I don't want commandos to get the obersoldaten treatment of overnerfs.
Any nerf should come with a decrease in price, 500mp is way too much MP for a weaker shock squad.
Any nerf should come with a decrease in price, 500mp is way too much MP for a weaker shock squad.
8 Oct 2015, 14:15 PM
#50
Posts: 139
Vanguard commandos are fucking absurd.
540 gets you an air landing officer and a forward HQ reinforce AND the most powerful infantry in the game for 350. The air landing "officer" is basically a commando squad with some of the best abilities in the game including recon and heroic charge, not to mention his massive DPS.
Grab 2 squads of commandos, stealth them in, grenade, air landing officer charge to wipe EVERYTHING thats left alive including all the retreating squads. WTF!?
I mean for 350 you are paying 30 manpower more than ostheer pay for a fucking Pgren squad except its a 5 man death squad with sniper stealth, grenade, obliteration satchel omgwtfbbq bomb, and demo.
There is a reason virtually every Brit I play goes Vanguard. Everything about this commander is fucking OP.
540 gets you an air landing officer and a forward HQ reinforce AND the most powerful infantry in the game for 350. The air landing "officer" is basically a commando squad with some of the best abilities in the game including recon and heroic charge, not to mention his massive DPS.
Grab 2 squads of commandos, stealth them in, grenade, air landing officer charge to wipe EVERYTHING thats left alive including all the retreating squads. WTF!?
I mean for 350 you are paying 30 manpower more than ostheer pay for a fucking Pgren squad except its a 5 man death squad with sniper stealth, grenade, obliteration satchel omgwtfbbq bomb, and demo.
There is a reason virtually every Brit I play goes Vanguard. Everything about this commander is fucking OP.
8 Oct 2015, 14:41 PM
#51
Posts: 1484
Btw Commandos get raped by Obers with STGs updgrade.
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8 Oct 2015, 14:45 PM
#52
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Btw Commandos get raped by Obers with STGs updgrade.
Shhh, don't spoil the spec ops commander
My place in the ladder is irrelevant as long as I am matched with opponents of the same rank and play all factions (balance at place 1000+ is no different from balance in top 100 if we consider what I said before the brakets) so I don't care about your assertion which is also irrelevant.
8 Oct 2015, 15:25 PM
#53
Posts: 473
Permanently Bannedthey should do a little less damage and the light gammon bomb should have a slightly smaller AoE.
I don't like the idea of a cost increase because plenty of british abilities cost too much and are too strong. Commandos are just one example.
I also don't like the idea of longer fuse time because as a close combat squad they should have a grenade, not a satchel charge.
Reasonable explanations good sir
What do you think of removing the cloak for movement? I personally think the movement cloak is a joke. Next to this the ability to cloak in combat right in front of a unit is an even bigger joke.
Whenever I face USF as OKW, it feels like I have been strapped down into a mental hospital wheelchair, with legs that can't reach the floor to move myself forward and a nurse is trying to move the wheelchair backwards whilst I have to race a formula one car for a best of three laps.
It feels handicapped from the start
No thumbs, cute and a lot of furry fluffiness, I am the ultimate kitten and by the heavens, am I angry!
It feels handicapped from the start
No thumbs, cute and a lot of furry fluffiness, I am the ultimate kitten and by the heavens, am I angry!
8 Oct 2015, 15:28 PM
#54
Posts: 473
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They only cloak in cover, hyperbole plis.
And their cloak lasts, so moving from cover to cover in terrain will make them invisible for the majority of their running around the map
Your use of irony and sarcasm in place of logical argument is telling of your plight.
I tried to make something entertaining based on your argument, which was quite frankly, laughable.
>Make it so they only cloak in cover... then they'll be cloaked 40% of the time.
Agreed, but remove the cloak on movement, that is just absurd.
Whenever I face USF as OKW, it feels like I have been strapped down into a mental hospital wheelchair, with legs that can't reach the floor to move myself forward and a nurse is trying to move the wheelchair backwards whilst I have to race a formula one car for a best of three laps.
It feels handicapped from the start
No thumbs, cute and a lot of furry fluffiness, I am the ultimate kitten and by the heavens, am I angry!
It feels handicapped from the start
No thumbs, cute and a lot of furry fluffiness, I am the ultimate kitten and by the heavens, am I angry!
8 Oct 2015, 15:38 PM
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What do you think of removing the cloak for movement?
I think that if commandos receive any other nerfs, they will definitely need their stealth as it is to perform for their cost. Otherwise they will have to sit idle in cover hoping an enemy walks into them, rather than stealthing around the battlefield looking for important targets. I find that to be the most fun and unique aspect of the squad, so it would be a shame to remove that if it weren't absolutely necessary.
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8 Oct 2015, 15:40 PM
#56
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I think that if commandos receive any other nerfs, they will definitely need their stealth as it is to perform for their cost. Otherwise they will have to sit idle in cover hoping an enemy walks into them, rather than stealthing around the battlefield looking for important targets. I find that to be the most fun and unique aspect of the squad, so it would be a shame to remove that if it weren't absolutely necessary.
I see. But you do realize that that is just a tad bit unfair that they can run around cloaked and recloak just in front of units even when in combat? If so, obers are expensive as well and come without their specialist weapons, perhaps we could implement some cloaking there too, for ambush purposes. After all, we want balance!
Whenever I face USF as OKW, it feels like I have been strapped down into a mental hospital wheelchair, with legs that can't reach the floor to move myself forward and a nurse is trying to move the wheelchair backwards whilst I have to race a formula one car for a best of three laps.
It feels handicapped from the start
No thumbs, cute and a lot of furry fluffiness, I am the ultimate kitten and by the heavens, am I angry!
It feels handicapped from the start
No thumbs, cute and a lot of furry fluffiness, I am the ultimate kitten and by the heavens, am I angry!
8 Oct 2015, 16:03 PM
#57
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StG Obers are probably the best counter to Commandos with their 25 detection range and good mid and close DPS, meaning they'll usually win if they stumble upon some Commandos holding fire.
8 Oct 2015, 20:04 PM
#58
Posts: 473
Permanently BannedStG Obers are probably the best counter to Commandos with their 25 detection range and good mid and close DPS, meaning they'll usually win if they stumble upon some Commandos holding fire.
Will use this!
Whenever I face USF as OKW, it feels like I have been strapped down into a mental hospital wheelchair, with legs that can't reach the floor to move myself forward and a nurse is trying to move the wheelchair backwards whilst I have to race a formula one car for a best of three laps.
It feels handicapped from the start
No thumbs, cute and a lot of furry fluffiness, I am the ultimate kitten and by the heavens, am I angry!
It feels handicapped from the start
No thumbs, cute and a lot of furry fluffiness, I am the ultimate kitten and by the heavens, am I angry!
8 Oct 2015, 20:13 PM
#59
Posts: 1930
I see. But you do realize that that is just a tad bit unfair that they can run around cloaked and recloak just in front of units even when in combat? If so, obers are expensive as well and come without their specialist weapons, perhaps we could implement some cloaking there too, for ambush purposes. After all, we want balance!
doesn't the partisan, fallshirmjager (with vet), and the stormtrooper all have the ability to stealth around the map unnoticed?
the commandos' main problem right now is mostly their insane dps.
8 Oct 2015, 20:21 PM
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I personally want commandos to become a more skill-based unit. THey should require tactics to use effectively. This is why I would like to see:
-Commandos get soviet sniper cloak. Only active when in cover, and dissipates the moment they leave cover.
-Ability to create yellow cover (foliage, small ditches), to help them set up ambushes.
-Less recieved accuracy to punish them for charging enemies head-on.
-Commando Gammons mirrored to bundle-grenades.
-Ambush ability no longer gives access to damage modifiers.
This way, commandos will have clear counterplay (scout units) since they have to stay stationary to ambush enemies. It will also make them less able to singlehandedly walk up to enemy positions and murder them to death. At the same time, it retains their uniqueness and keeps them as very effective flank engagement and flanking units.
-Commandos get soviet sniper cloak. Only active when in cover, and dissipates the moment they leave cover.
-Ability to create yellow cover (foliage, small ditches), to help them set up ambushes.
-Less recieved accuracy to punish them for charging enemies head-on.
-Commando Gammons mirrored to bundle-grenades.
-Ambush ability no longer gives access to damage modifiers.
This way, commandos will have clear counterplay (scout units) since they have to stay stationary to ambush enemies. It will also make them less able to singlehandedly walk up to enemy positions and murder them to death. At the same time, it retains their uniqueness and keeps them as very effective flank engagement and flanking units.
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