5 men commando squad

Jump back to quoted post7 Oct 2015, 22:15 PMMr. Someguy

They cost less than Obersoldaten or Shock Troops, they're not expensive. They're extremely efficient for what they do. I agree with OP's assessment, it's similar to the suggestions laid out by Cruzz, and he generally has a good idea of what's going on in the game's files.

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2015, 01:42 AMVuther

Elite ones have largely been totally fine, Shock Troops have been the best the Soviets have to offer for a long time (aided by much of what else that they have on foot totally sucking for a long time as well, but still...) & Thompson Paras have been great since they got 4 Thompsons off the upgrade.

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2015, 02:28 AMFiresparks

shocktroops, para, and commando are basically different way to handle the smg.

the shocktroops have smoke grenade by default and they are the most durable squad in the game by far.

the paratrooper (should) have the best dps.

commandos have stealth.

first, nerf the commandos grenade damage and dps. The commandos should have the lowest dps out of the three elite smg in exchange for stealth.

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2015, 04:19 AMBeefSurge

Vet 3 Paras using Tactical Assault do more DPS than vet 3 commandos, amirite?

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2015, 04:59 AMelchino7

What's focus fire. They die like flies when using tactical assault.

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2015, 00:50 AMatouba

Just simply compare this unit with shocktroops,it's fucking too effective like many other brits units and abilities.

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2015, 01:06 AMTatatala

It sounds to me like you were trying to spot a cloaked unit with vehicles. That's a bad idea Angrykitten, unless it's a dedicated spotter, like the Kubel or 222.

Use infantry to decloak them. They can only disappear if they have not been combat active for a time.

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2015, 07:21 AMAngryKitten465

Lol I can't believe people actually defend this grossly overperforming unit.

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2015, 06:38 AMUGBEAR

Don't forget give them survivebility vet after nerfing them, they are the only infantry squad without a survivalbility vet.

The light gamma bomb also needs a longer fuse, DPS should be lower, then it's good.

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2015, 05:09 AMDullahan

If only there were units that detected cloaked infantry that you could build when you see the glider coming in...

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2015, 05:46 AMturbotortoise

The comparisons to other factions and units do not make sense in that context. For instance, shocks, they'll be called in to bolster an already meaty, competent core army. Right now, and with the "expensive shock unit dynamic" of the UKF, the role of a commando squad is to turn the tide of a battle that is already being lost. If you nerf them, make the rest of the early game more survivable.

Also, nerfs are not the same thing as removing gimmicks, ie, warp cloak, I think we can all agree that is a bit

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2015, 07:42 AMAngryKitten465

Could you please elaborate on the ' survivability' part? And what do you mean with they are the only squad without a survivability vet? They get smoke on retreat at vet 3, they are extremely hard to spot at vet 3 since they can run around the map invisible and can become invisible just in front of your units even in when in combat. Removing the cloak whilst moving won't hamper them that much, but it will give players a better change vs the 1 second satchall charge grenade they have and their insane dps that in combination with the cloak can give them inane opportunities at squad wipes.

As I said in my OP, I don't want to overnerf them, but there are surely things that need to be looked at, no matter what other fanoboys (not you!!) might say.

Cheers

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2015, 07:48 AMUGBEAR

recived accuracy -20% something like most infantry squad do, and no you want to overnerf them

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2015, 05:09 AMDullahan

If only there were units that detected cloaked infantry that you could build when you see the glider coming in...

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2015, 01:50 AMCadianGuardsman

They cost 500 Manpower to call on. What in the name of Jesus on roller skates are you talking about man.
Wait just realised about Vanguard. Where they cost a whopping 540 then 360 to call on. I could see a slight buff to their cost maybe to 400 but people asking them to be 450 are clearly overzealous.

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2015, 01:50 AMCadianGuardsman

1) On the comparison with Shocktroops. They need a cloak to get close top enemy units. Unlike shocktroops their armour is terrible and they drop like flies to Obersoldaten which will usually be on the field by the time you start chugging them out.

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2015, 01:50 AMCadianGuardsman

2) Their 1 second grenade fuze I feel supports what this unit should be - A high "Alpha strike" unit designed to ambush and potentially wipe units before you react, but only if they are microed effectively. Alternately buff them to an actual gammon bomb. I'd love my commandos to have a 3 second "nuke engines" grenade.

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2015, 01:50 AMCadianGuardsman

3) Their DPS overall should be toned down and instead they should have an ambush bonus of accuracy. This would mean they have to be used as well... commandos and not as frontline infantry. With the changes to their DPS them camouflaging would not be such an issue. Infact it would mean this units entire point is to be camouflaged. To be honest this unit should be focused more on ambushes and raiding.

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2015, 01:50 AMCadianGuardsman

3a) An alternate suggestion to their increased accuracy instead of high DPS would be to make them decap points faster than normal infantry effectively making them "raiders".