Give Volks MP44 through Veterancy

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2015, 00:23 AMAlexzandvar

Recon IS weak and bad but Mech is actually quite popular (if still underwhelming compared to the extremely powerful Infantry and Rifle companies) in 1v1 and 2v2 now that the WC51 has a role that exists and the whole "always go for Stuart" thing meshes well with withdraw and refit plus that Dank artillery.

I actually kinda forgot Recon existed, Iv not used it in months and you never see it.

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2015, 00:31 AMpugzii

Right so your saying Mech is useful and popular (not true) and that luftwaffe is shit and not viable, is this a joke? Come on Alexzanzandervar you can do better..

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2015, 00:27 AMpugzii

OMG seriously?! So if I go USF and buy no vehicles I'll have MP float?! Oh wait

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2015, 00:19 AMZyllen

Where do people get these absurd thoughts from? okw has mp float because they dont have the fuel to buy vehicles.

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2015, 00:49 AMMr. Someguy

This and because Volks are cheap spam units with no role other than to occupy space and make enemy units slightly nervous, similar to Osttruppen but more durable and works on tanks.

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2015, 00:21 AMAlexzandvar

Iv still have yet to see a substantive argument against buffing Volks that actually uses numbers instead of vague feelings.

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2015, 01:01 AMVuther

I thought it also had to do at least a little with how OKW's full tech costs 600 MP, when it'll take 60 more than that MP for Soviets to get all HQ upgrades and their first tier (for 'Muricans, 100 more than that with both upgrades and T1+T2, UKF 20 less than that for all HQ upgrades and first tier, 20 less for all battle phases and T1+T2 for Wehr).

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2015, 01:05 AMMr. Someguy

There's also the retreat point upgrade, which isn't cheap although I don't remember the exact price, it is essential if you set your medical truck in a forward position.

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2015, 00:48 AMBeefSurge

Zyllen your wrong bro. USF has mp bleed because rifles aren't really long range troops and their expensive to maintain.

OKW doesn't have MP bleed because their worthwhile callin/Ober troops are all great long range fighters, and Volks are dirt cheap.

Jump back to quoted post29 Sep 2015, 20:38 PMRedT3rror

Obersoldaten, Jäger, Fallschirmjäger, Panzerfüsiliers? Anyone?

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2015, 00:37 AMAlexzandvar

It's not like the dude who won OCF used it or anything. Meanwhile 70%+ of all OKW games were using Scavenge, lol. Mech has always been semi-decent in 1v1 and now with the core USF buffs it's main deficiencies are gone. The ass engines you get can lay Schu mines and demo's, you still have Mech Arty which has always been good.

Luftwaffe isn't totally nonviable, it's just piss compared to Scavenge and Breakthrough because Fallsch are reaaaally expensive for what they do and the MG34 is literal garbage. Also Valiant Assault being bugged to were it only increases your speed by 1 and does nothing else, and the ability to make Flak Emplacements (yay?) which nobody gives a damn about (rightfully).

Regardless this is a derail, this thread is about Volks not just USF commanders.

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2015, 01:11 AMVuther

Oh, good point actually since Retreat Point is pretty hefty, pretty sure it was 300. USF's is probably arguably more cost-effective too since it gets a tier with its retreat point, though inversely the healing alone is more cost-effective on OKW since they get that with a tier (yet of course, old USF bleed was pretty obviously worse...dis stuff is too complex for me).

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2015, 01:15 AMdreamerdude

you forgot sturmpioneers

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2015, 01:19 AMAlexzandvar

The new Omni-Healing ambulance that's cheaper and faster to build and can be activated anywere has given USF pretty much the final word in healing tech for this game. It would be nice if OKW medics could at least not collide with objects so they didn't constantly get stuck or just move real slow

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2015, 01:41 AMZyllen

You really dont play okw much do you?

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2015, 04:32 AMHon3ynuts

Even if volks got some kind of weapon upgrade through vet i think it would be counterproductive to make a long range squad get a close range weapon after vet. If you have a volk blob b/c engagements are long range your whole army changes its function after vet which would be awkward to handle