Tried Preview Patch for Partisan and some thoughts

For a 210 manpower unit, their performance in the preview patch was a touch strong in my personal opinion. While the gun they hold in the patch is just "air guns" (It was funny, they could just be shouting pew pew pew with their fingers) but they take down opposing forces rather swiftly. I tested their engagement with Pioneers, Grenadiers, Panzer Grenadiers, Sturm Pioneers, Volksgrenadiers and Obersoldaten. Keep in mind that the ranges were only close to semi-mid ranges since most of the time engagements with this unit would be so, grenades were not included but chances are Partisans may have an upper hand in this case since they retain both molotov and grenades at the moment. No upgrades are included either.

The results were roughly:
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I was quite shocked by their current performance, taking into account how cheap they are, they excel units that share or are above their price tag. Another issue about Partisan squads is that they gain veterancy rather swiftly, pioneers pushing them to near Vet 1 while any other would be a sure vet. It would only take 2 to 3 engagements before they hit Vet 2 where their low survivability issue is compensated.

Personally, I find the implementation of MP44 as their stock weapon as something quite silly. The guns are not as readily available as one would think. MP40 would have made much more sense and the compensation for the lack of damage can be compensated by returning the Partisan's accuracy back in line with other units...or at least a little better.

Thoughts? Added suggestions? I'm all ears.

Edit: Tested them against a 222. They wrecked it.

leave partysans alone

I would just give them ambush camo and revert other changes.

While the gun they hold in the patch is just "air guns" (It was funny, they could just be shouting pew pew pew with their fingers) but they take down opposing forces rather swiftly.

That happens if a model is using a weapon that they aren't intended to have. Sounds like Relic just gave them the gun without updating their animations to use it

Personally, I find the implementation of MP44 as their stock weapon as something quite silly. The guns are not as readily available as one would think. MP40 would have made much more sense and the compensation for the lack of damage can be compensated by returning the Partisan's accuracy back in line with other units...or at least a little better.

StG's doesn't make sense, they should be armed with SVT-40's (with good stats) or maybe 4x Conscript PPSh, since those are getting range buffed so they're hopefully no worse than the Mosin at long. Maybe even both, option to switch back and forth for extra versatility. Still think it would be cool if they were self-sustaining and could ambush as well, I'm not sure how to go about it, but once they retreat they become just another part of your Army.

StG's doesn't make sense, they should be armed with SVT-40's (with good stats) or maybe 4x Conscript PPSh, since those are getting range buffed so they're hopefully no worse than the Mosin at long. Maybe even both, option to switch back and forth for extra versatility. Still think it would be cool if they were self-sustaining and could ambush as well, I'm not sure how to go about it, but once they retreat they become just another part of your Army.

I'd say SVT or PPSh is a good idea but bringing the concept back that the Partisan use stolen equipment, I ended up thinking MP40 is better. Although now that I think about it, G43 would be a pretty neat idea. Reminds me of how I suggested giving Partisan a more "assassin" based style, allowing snipes and attacking targets of opportunity.

I'd say SVT or PPSh is a good idea but bringing the concept back that the Partisan use stolen equipment, I ended up thinking MP40 is better. Although now that I think about it, G43 would be a pretty neat idea. Reminds me of how I suggested giving Partisan a more "assassin" based style, allowing snipes and attacking targets of opportunity.

Yeah but again, they'd have to update the animations to include the MP 40, while animations for the SVT and PPSh already exist. Furthermore, they'd have to make a new MP 40 profile for them to use since all existing MP 40's are very bad outside 10-13 meters. In-fact the "best" MP 40 in the game is the Assault Grenadier version

Besides, SVT isn't far off, the Germans used them a lot. Germany captured around half a million of them during the initial invasion, so many that they printed a manual for it to issue to troops who got one.

leave partysans alone

Paying 270 MP for a Panzershrek squad that can jump out of buildings is not balanced. That's all I really have to add to this.

Paying 270 MP for a Panzershrek squad that can jump out of buildings is not balanced. That's all I really have to add to this.

And pating 270 for long range shreck with perma camo that comes out of T0 is fine?

Go away hypocrite.

They don't have amazing scaling and AI capabilities of either PGs or volks, so what is wrong with AT infantry to cost as much as AT gun?

Don't answer please.

Can we not have Katitof and Alexzandvar ruin another thread, that'd be nice.

Anyway, I stand by what I said, Partisans would be fine with G43-ish SVT's or Conscript PPSh's. StG 44's are a bit strong and unrealistic. Their received accuracy could be looked at as well, I'm not sure if they have any but they don't need it.

And pating 270 for long range shreck with perma camo that comes out of T0 is fine?

The Rackten has a build time, set up time, 25% increase received accuracy, a set cone of fire, and it no able to be deployed from ambient buildings.

Go away hypocrite.

lol

They don't have amazing scaling and AI capabilities of either PGs or volks, so what is wrong with AT infantry to cost as much as AT gun?

Volks don't have AI capability outside spamming grenades or grenade assault and PG's don't have amazing AI capabilities outside of their grenade when upgraded with Shreks either.

Also Partisans actually have better vet than most infantry do, the reason why they were shit before is they had awful weapons. Volks no matter what vet level you are at (other than vet 1) will always have less received accuracy than Anti Tank Partisans.

Don't answer please.

sigh

If you want to make Partisans useful without making them gimmicky/OP you could just make them like JLI, give them sniper rifles, booby trap, sprint, ect. That way they are actually infiltration specialists that can disrupt the enemy but do well in combat instead of the old "Pop out of a build to suicide kill some weapon teams or a Stuka/Truck/ect then die on retreat"

Oh my god partisans are lethal.
I hope relic don't go and nerf them into the dirt now. The partisan commander seems like he'd be fun to use to get away from the tank call in meta commanders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6MuBslefto

They are finally useful what is wrong with that

They are finally useful what is wrong with that

Apparently exactly that.


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Don't get me wrong, I am all for Partisan getting buffed. In fact, I think it is a well-deserved improvement. You can tell by my ID that I do have my bias, but I don't want that to get in the way. The last thing I need is a buff that only lives a patch before being slapped back into the same state it was before. A slight tweak, enough to give an edge without rustling jimmies is all I ask.

I think I've stated something similar to Alexandr but I always thought it might be due to the dev group being too busy to really make them anything new. My biggest gripe is still the serious disillusion that MP44 brings. I highly doubt it is a weapon an average Partisan can get their hands on.