OKW: Flammpanzer 38(t)

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2015, 23:53 PMdasheepeh

must be the dudes with stuff

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2015, 17:53 PMKatitof

Less then 50 produced you say?

Meets all the requirements for a stock unit for axis army.

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2015, 04:36 AMThoseDeafMutes

I feel like a Hetzer is an unneeded unit for OKW, at least if it was a Flammpanzer it would be quite unique for the faction. JPIV is basically a Hetzer but with a Panther main gun instead of a Stug/PIV main gun.

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2015, 00:02 AMMr. Someguy

Dudes with stuff are a different unit named Urban Assault Light Infantry, they're currently a 4-man squad with Jäger / Stormtrooper's model. They are armed with 4 MP 40's, Smoke Grenade ability, and Panzerfaust ability.

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2015, 06:21 AMSierra

MP-40's you say? Sounds useless already.

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2015, 04:57 AMMr. Someguy

Actually the JP4's gun has the penetration as the StuG's, 60 less than the Panther's. It was the same gun in real life, but it's much weaker in-game.

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2015, 07:12 AMThoseDeafMutes

Real life is what I was referring to. 75 l/48 is the stug, hetzer and late pIV, l/70 was panther and jpIV. At any rate OKW has a great TD and they also have the Panther, both stock. And now a quality stock medium. Fairly solid AT gun. Doctrinal Pak43 and Jagdtiger. Shreks on their core inf. Not hurting for AT options at all. I really think a flamethrower tank would be a more interesting inclusion for the faction.

Jump back to quoted post31 Aug 2015, 02:01 AMAchtAchter

People loved the hetzer from coh1.... now it returns...with FLAMES.

Implementing a Hetzer AT tank makes no sense, OKW has a JP4 for that role. A flame tank however is a nice garrison cleaning tool.

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2015, 07:01 AMMr. Someguy

They were superior to Assault Engineers at least.

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2015, 00:52 AMSierra

You're using American Assault Engineers wrong if you think that those units are shitty.

MP-40 is by and far the worst weapon in the game compared to other weapons of its class.

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2015, 01:12 AMcomm_ash

OK, then I will say it. Assault Engineers are shitty. They are a 4 man squad with terrible received accuracy that has to fight Axis faction which have very good DPS at all ranges until close. Losing just 1 model makes them useless, as they have to immediately be retreated after the battle to be useful in later engagements.

They may have good DPS in theory, but good luck getting in close to use that DPS. You are better off getting a riflesquad for the same price. Assault Engineers are useful for 1 job, anti-building, and even that can be done by riflemen.

They have 1 use, which is demos. As a USF player, I will tell you that demos are NOT easily paid for in a faction that requires more munitions to fight in the early game (grenades and smoke vs. MGs), and to scale into the lategame (upgrades), than any other faction.

Wait, why are we talking about these again?

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2015, 01:07 AMMr. Someguy

I never said Assault Engineers were shitty, I said Urban Assault Light Infantry were superior.

Nowhere did I say they use the same MP 40 as Assault Grenadiers, that was your assumption.

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2015, 02:12 AMSierra

Are UALI even released yet? I thought that Doctrine was still locked up?