how do you counter scavenge doctrine

• Thorough salvage is useful only if you feed your opponent with vehicle wrecks.
  
• Jaegers are jokes. They cant fight against anything alone. You can mix them with your main infantry for the random snipe kills, but they are also inaccurate as hell. The opportunity cost you pay for the on-field spawning is a waste of resource imo. This unit should not spawn in buildings, and its price should reflect it.
  
• Nades are a bit cheap, but not a game changer.
  
• Ostwinds neither... maybe those should be buildable after 8 CP from the flak-truck
  
• I dont think you understand the meaning of resource conversion.
  

Jump back to quoted post26 Aug 2015, 06:40 AMjugg

the 0cp extra salvage is way too unbalanced early game, you can get 5 min luchs with this thing

Jump back to quoted post26 Aug 2015, 11:43 AMHighfiveeeee

Luchs costs 50 Fuel + 80 Fuel (Flak HQ) + 40 Fuel (Medic or the other HQ) = 170 Fuel.

170 / 5 = 34 fuel per minute.
I don't think that you can get 34 fuel without conversion as OKW even if you own every single sector on the map. Remember the OKW fuel penalty.

What wrecks do you want to salvage in the first 5 minutes?

Jump back to quoted post26 Aug 2015, 11:58 AMThunderhun

Another Soviet cry thread...where is Katitof??

Jump back to quoted post26 Aug 2015, 06:40 AMjugg

i see every high level OPW player always instapick this without fail and it wins them the game without any effort.
every single ability is way too overpowered and breaks 1v1 balance.

the 0cp extra salvage is way too unbalanced early game, you can get 5 min luchs with this thing, if you skip luchs you can get a panzer 4 before 10 minute mark with fuel conversion. how is this ok? who thought that was balanced.

2cp jaegers, theyre way too strong because they spawn with the g43 upgrade making them sniping monsters, at least make the g43 an upgrade, there is no soviet equivalent this early in the game, even shock troops can be kited. spawning in any ambient building unneeded as well, it just adds more frustration.

now the real killer is that dumb 3cp nades, 10 muni for what effectively is the ultimate anti stationary/building killer, there is nothing in the soviet arsenal that even comes close to this kind of power/cost tradeoff, the nades will 1 shot or 2 shot any building and stationary team. its incredible hard to stop them from doing it with 1 mg since obviously theyll be blobbed up and one volk doing a flank is plenty enough to take the building/team down.
there is absolutely 0 reason to use the normal nade over this, unless you already used it up.

then the 8cp ostwind that doesnt require any teching, just lol.

the barrage needs to be more expensive because you can just convert for muni and spam it all day.

Jump back to quoted post26 Aug 2015, 12:01 PMTheodosios

Legit post except that OKW starts with 40 fuel already thus it's basically 170 fuel - 40 fuel = 130 fuel + fuel penalty required to build a Luchs.

Jump back to quoted post26 Aug 2015, 15:48 PMHighfiveeeee

Thanks I forgot that.
But on the other hand you have to take a look at the MP also. There is no Luchs without an inf army.