Undo Soviet T3 before T4 requirement

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2015, 04:38 AMaaa

at the end
1. OH can get callin medium faster in all games even in theory.
2. OH can get non callin medium faster all games in reality.
Faster means a lot faster I think. Cuz its not possible to play only T2 units into T4. And you have to spend at least more 70 fuel into 1 t70. And in the begining germ T1 > sov T2. Dont forget about germ opening +1 unit advantage.
Plus anyone forgeting that cons' 2 grenades upgrades cost 25 fuel each. OH costs nothing it come with BF1.

its not important calllin or non callin. What important is unit type.

Jump back to quoted post10 Aug 2015, 23:06 PMmiragefla

Unless things get adjusted, we'd have very early T-34/76s rolling around the field... Or people would would just stick with T3 because of units like the Quad which trade durability for utility, shock value and high killing power versus our generalist tank which is actually more of a meatshield/steam roller.

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2015, 04:41 AMBasilone

@Festive what ways did Soviet tech become less restrictive? To me it feels more restrictive with T3 units coming every game and T4 units being used less. Are you are talking about a shift away from the T34/85 call-in meta? Personally I would sometimes rush Soviet T4, but as long as T3 is this good and a requirement I don't think 4 is very worthwhile. Ost T4 could use some love too.

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2015, 04:28 AMVonIvan

How is the first tier free?

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2015, 05:56 AMFestiveLongJohns

Because pre patch it wasn't viable to tech AT ALL.

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2015, 12:43 PMBlalord

Yeah, T34-85 rush

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2015, 05:09 AMWhySooSerious

Su85 is apparently useless along with the T34/76 and Katty since they are not worth it oddly. Also as I have heard from Gabba if a Soviet T4 Vehicle can arrive at the same time as an ostheer t3 unit then what is wrong?

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2015, 14:48 PMJadame!

Why you want su85 over bigger number of su76s?

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2015, 14:48 PMJadame!

Why you want su85 over bigger number of su76s?

Why you want t34/76 at all?

Kat is good, but, as i wrote it comes too late. 2 or even more minutes difference is significant and have very big effect in close game.

And the main question is why you want give ostheer free mid game without building quad? If they are not desperately bad you would be pushed from map with ht+grenblob and i wish you luck retaking your cutoff with t34/76 which would miss 9 of 10 shots.

Useless may be too big of a world but for me sov t4 overshadowed by t3.

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2015, 15:11 PMaaa

Im sorry su76 is shit vs everything. SU85>>su76.

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2015, 15:11 PMaaa

Im sorry su76 is shit vs everything. SU85>>su76. having su76 is the best way to give jagpanz free vets. After that its becoming cheat invincible unit one shooting tanks.

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2015, 16:21 PMSnipester

The same could be said about Ostheer T4. For Ost, everything T4 does T3 does for a lot cheaper and arguably better. Katy comes a lot later now, yes, but I don't find that to be a good talking point. The Panzerwerfer has always come late, and it has sucked balls for a long time, too. At least the Katy is still a solid artillery piece.

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2015, 18:52 PMBudwise

I agree. Linear tech trees are never a good solution. vCOH Brits taught us that years ago.

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2015, 19:01 PMAlexzandvar

Due to how build orders work (you always got for the best, not second best) non-linear tech tree's typically result in extremely stale meta. Sure you can vary units between each level of teching in order to give choice, but non-linear teching isn't healthy when you have a game balanced around unit timing.

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2015, 00:36 AMCookiezNcreem

Im in favor of picking 2 builings before you allowed to build T4.

I think that would actually be perfect.