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I agree that the M20 mines should be moved to REs. Their stats need to be aligned with teller mines though (immobilize crit chance removed/reduced).
The light AT mines are fine where they are IMO.
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Mines like that were barred behind doctrines/vehicles for a reason. As for the box mine, just put it in more doctrines.
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It's weird how half of the recommendation threads are about changing the USF. I have no idea why so many people want to change the strongest and best 1 vs 1 faction in the game.
Mines actually promote game play that is not so fun.. flanks are no longer that rewarding, too risky to attempt multi side flanks, especially with tanks.. and one shots like these for a squad are a crime. Still not feasible to sweep em all. Don't care for more mines being around.
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No this goes against everything people on the forums have been saying they want. This is why the call in meta was changed. People are sick a tired of being told that they can only play with a few commanders, or have to tech a certain way. Like i said Mine are and important part of CoH2 and were in CoH1, every faction in the game has access to mine with out tech, or commanders. All but the USF, so no just putting box mine in more commander would solve nothing, including the fact that you have to lay five in a clump to do any kind of damage to tanks.
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m20 mine with RE's will not be balanced, imagine trying to counter harass with an OKW PIV and having the entire map covered with them by midgame. With Soviet/OKW/Ost mines you can limp away, but when your tank is immobilized it's helpless which can often spell the end of the game.
Having such a powerful weapon so easily available from the start with cheap units is not balanced, hence why reigels/m20 mines are locked behind vehicles.
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Light AT mines actually aren't bad, they're just micro taxing to place.
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20 damage, 1000 penetration, will apply debuff "hit light at mine" for 7 seconds
Light vehicle:
1 or 2 debuffs:
engine damage 30%, no crit 70%
3 debuffs
engine damage 40%, threads destroyed 40%, no crit 20%
Heavy vehicle:
1 or 2 debuffs
crew shock 10%, engine damaged 10%, no crit 80%
3 debuffs
threads destroyed 33%, engine damaged 33%, no crit 33%
Problem: debuff stacks to max 5 instead of 3, so making large fields of the mines will actually make the explosions after the first few hugely detrimental because they'll stop crits from happening.
So, you basically should always lay these mines 4 in one place assuming the debuff gets applied after crit calculation, or 3 if before. Someone needs to test that.
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Mines are great for gameplay as they allow you to actually cover your flanks. This helps to protect less mobile units such as support weapons against fast moving units like infantry and fast vehicles. It also adds the tactical dimension of baiting units into deadly traps like when you have a teller-mine covered by an AT-gun on your retreat path, ready to destroy an enemy tank that tries to cut down your men on retreat; or when you present a katysha as a juicy target for an enemy to flank, only for him to run over a well-placed mine on the flanking path and you being able to hunt it down with ease.
Without mines, flanking would be too rewarding, and mobility would have too much of an impact on unit performance.
As for the topic at hand: USF already has the anti-vehicle mine covered, but they could use some anti-infantry mines.
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It's weird how half of the recommendation threads are about changing the USF. I have no idea why so many people want to change the strongest and best 1 vs 1 faction in the game.
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I believe that the RE should be the ultimate support engineer - weak weapon, very low DPS, but able to do lots of terrain modifications. They should be able to make sandbags (like the AssaultPlazma's suggestion), their volley should be a little better, they should lay those weak AT mines (that should be laid in groups of 3 by default) and maybe they could be a little faster to build stuff.
Maybe it wouldn't change much to USF's early game, but sure would give options.
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