M4 Sherman needs cost decrease

Jump back to quoted post29 Jul 2015, 07:05 AMKatitof

@up
Why if there already is EZ8 and jackson?

Jump back to quoted post29 Jul 2015, 07:39 AMKatitof

You still have jackson.

Why would you want 76mm otherwise if not for AT?

Jump back to quoted post29 Jul 2015, 08:20 AMcomm_ash

It gives you an option. Say that lategame, you lose all your Jacksons to a Stuka CAS loiter strike. All you have is 2 M4A3 shermans, vs. 3 P4s. Upgrade to 76mm, and you have tanks that can hold the line until better AT can hit the field.

You know, like how they were used in real life.

Its not like Ostheer with the P4, Ostwind, and Stug in T3 don't build P4s because the Ostwind and Stug do their respective roles well. Sometimes you just want a more tanky, mobile, generalist tank.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jul 2015, 08:48 AMBlalord

Sherman will have to lose HE shell, but then it will be a "sort of" easy 8 no ?

Jump back to quoted post29 Jul 2015, 15:44 PMOrionHunter88

Panzer IV price is not fine, but you can all live in denial.

For AI the Ostwind is way better, for AT the StuG III Ausf G is way better. PIV loses to T34/85 so what is the point of the PIV? It's a bit less vulnerable than the others I mentioned but not by much. Soviet AT still has guaranteed penetration on its frontal armor (or extremely high penetration chance) and so we are talking about it being able to take a couple more hits is all. Ostwind has better mobility too so in some ways it's more survivable.

EDIT: I will say this. As a FIRST tank only it is useful because it is more versatile - but there's little point to getting additional stock PIV's once you've started building up your armored force.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jul 2015, 08:48 AMBlalord

Sherman will have to lose HE shell, but then it will be a "sort of" easy 8 no ?

Jump back to quoted post29 Jul 2015, 23:50 PMThe Big Red 1

well that was the trade-off in CoH1 but instead of having it as a global upgrade i propose of being able to upgrade from the tank itself individually just like the .50cal machine gun so that you can mix and match your shermans to have both anti-infantry and anti-tank capabilities if you get what i am trying to say

Jump back to quoted post30 Jul 2015, 10:04 AMLooney

Guys, the sherman's great for it's cost. Sure you have to micro more but it has so much more utility then, let's say the p4. Which it can beat depending on your micro. You can use smoke to atack, cover your retreat etc. Imo the price is fine.