M5 Quadrush

Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2015, 03:50 AMMr. Someguy

I'd love a Panzer III Ausf. M, although a Panzer III Ausf. N would be more historically accurate.

Model M is sexier though

Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2015, 08:19 AMBlalord

30 to 55 is a big nerf, maybe a smaller one

Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2015, 08:30 AMMr. Someguy

Speaking of this, there are actually files for a Panzer III, exact model isn't clear but it was at least a Model L as the gun is named panzer_iii_50mm_mp.xml. Stat-wise, it seems it was intended to be a counterpart to the T-70. Possibly dropped because Relic couldn't spare the resources to make it, it uses the Panzer IV Ausf. F1 model and is not functional as a unit, although if spawned it will shoot at enemies.

Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2015, 08:35 AMElSlayer

I have played a few 4v4 games as Soviet and I've changed my mind.

That thing is so fucking good. Especially with snipers, which help to take out PSchrekked PGrens and Paks.

Lowering damage won't help much, because 360 noscope long range AoE suppression will counter any infantry play anyway.

I think that locking upgrade behind T4 is the only option. Though I fear that it will repeat fate of Wehrmach Flamer Halftrack, despite it have no need to get into grenade range to shoot.

Personally, I'd better plant 4 mines in late game.

EDIT: I have to add that I never faced EARLY Pak. Opponents always tried to rush Puma/Panther or Ostwind/Pz.IV.

Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2015, 10:40 AMIron Emperor

Luckely you've seen the problems now for yourself. So what we told wasn't utterly bullcrap. Point is that the early pak is just not flexible enough to take out a M5 since it can just flank you and take out your pak in only 2 seconds. Therefor a Puma does a way better job since it's armour is more resilliant against M5 Quad power

Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2015, 11:00 AMTatatala

I think Comm Ash had the best solution in the other thread. Make it so that it can't suppress on the move, just like the Kubel.

It can then be fausted if moving, or hit with a PaK if stationary and in suppression mode.

All these other suggestions are either too lacklustre, or over nerf.


I don't think you can give it a setup time, like OKW flak, because it doesn't come automatically with quad.

Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2015, 11:37 AM__deleted__

New tech structure is honestly insanely stupid. Its entirely feasible to get the quad out at 3cp, while you won't get a PIV before 7cp unless you have absolutely dominating map control, and by the time you do, there will be 2 Su-76s waiting for you. OH is flat out borked this patch.

Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2015, 11:51 AMIron Emperor

@Elslayer I know that you do something wrong, but at some points your units get pushed back and your pak isn't back in the front lines quick enough.

Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2015, 11:44 AMMaschinengewehr

Tellers and Pumas from Mobile Defense are your saviour Kappa.

Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2015, 12:12 PMBlalord

Pumas come at 5 CP when Quad will come around 3 CP Kappa