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22 Jul 2015, 08:40 AM
#81
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Since the USF forces are based around those of the Battle of the Bulge and the Ardennes campaign, they never used the m26 Pershing.


I'm just disappointed that they're ignoring the Jumbo's contribution to the war. Those 'Assault Tanks' were key in breaking through German lines in the Ardennes, because they could bounce a hit from a Tiger or Panther when nothing else could. Over 250 made, unknown number of "Expedient Jumbos" (field modified Shermans), compared to just 20 Pershings.
22 Jul 2015, 14:43 PM
#82
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I'm just disappointed that they're ignoring the Jumbo's contribution to the war. Those 'Assault Tanks' were key in breaking through German lines in the Ardennes, because they could bounce a hit from a Tiger or Panther when nothing else could. Over 250 made, unknown number of "Expedient Jumbos" (field modified Shermans), compared to just 20 Pershings.



The Armored divisions didn't want them. Their resistance to enemy fire proved to be effective. But they were much slower and their weight pushed the suspension of the Sherman to its limits which also decreased their mobility. They were arriving in theater by October I think and by the Bulge counterattack it had already been decided that they were not the answer or the future. Remember that they were an answer mostly to AT guns and heavy ones at that (the Sherman was already "decently" armored against 50 and 75mm AT guns from the front).

22 Jul 2015, 15:21 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 14:43 PMAvNY



The Armored divisions didn't want them. Their resistance to enemy fire proved to be effective. But they were much slower and their weight pushed the suspension of the Sherman to its limits which also decreased their mobility. They were arriving in theater by October I think and by the Bulge counterattack it had already been decided that they were not the answer or the future. Remember that they were an answer mostly to AT guns and heavy ones at that (the Sherman was already "decently" armored against 50 and 75mm AT guns from the front).



I think they were considered part of the answer, AvNY, which is why all Jumbos were apparently shipped out of Europe (together with their bastardised forebears) post-VE Day, in preparation for the invasion of the Japanese islands.
22 Jul 2015, 17:20 PM
#84
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Although funny enough America did come pretty close to nuking the USSR because idiots like Patton and Churchill were allowed to continue to be in charge of things when they should have been locked in a storage container when the war was done.


Patton was in a car crash in Germany on Dec 8, 1945 and died on the 21st. He was buried in Luxembourg. Patton never returned to the United States.

Churchill was voted out of 10 Downing in July 1945 and didn't return until '51.

Thus one dead and the other leading the opposition is not very conducive to "continue to be in charge."
23 Jul 2015, 01:39 AM
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Patton was in a car crash in Germany on Dec 8, 1945 and died on the 21st. He was buried in Luxembourg. Patton never returned to the United States.

Churchill was voted out of 10 Downing in July 1945 and didn't return until '51.

Thus one dead and the other leading the opposition is not very conducive to "continue to be in charge."


And furthermore, "Operational Unthinkable" never had any real momentum behind it. I don't think I would say we "came close" to nuking the USSR, not until decades later when the cold war was in full swing and you had a nuclear standoff.
23 Jul 2015, 01:50 AM
#86
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Did anyone ever actually read how "mysterious" pattons death really was? Pretty interesting stuff.
23 Jul 2015, 02:58 AM
#87
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Doesn't seem that mysterious, he died after his neck was broken when his staff car collided with a supply truck. Shit happens.
23 Jul 2015, 03:15 AM
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Patton was in a car crash in Germany on Dec 8, 1945 and died on the 21st. He was buried in Luxembourg. Patton never returned to the United States.

Churchill was voted out of 10 Downing in July 1945 and didn't return until '51.

Thus one dead and the other leading the opposition is not very conducive to "continue to be in charge."


I said "idiots like" for a reason. Neither were alone in their anti-communist fear mongering. And the "keep the tanks on rolling" had serious momentum even into 1946.
23 Jul 2015, 04:00 AM
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I said "idiots like" for a reason. Neither were alone in their anti-communist fear mongering. And the "keep the tanks on rolling" had serious momentum even into 1946.


They turned out to be right though, Stalin betrayed us almost immediately, and by 1950 we found ourselves suddenly blindsided by Soviet Pilots after wiping out the Korean People's Air Force.
23 Jul 2015, 04:10 AM
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They turned out to be right though, Stalin betrayed us almost immediately, and by 1950 we found ourselves suddenly blindsided by Soviet Pilots after wiping out the Korean People's Air Force.


Trust is a two way street, and the Soviets had every reason to be pissed about all the extreme anti-communist rhetoric coming out of the United States and Britain even when the Soviets were their allies.

The west also really heeing and humming about prosecuting war criminals/nazi's put a really bad taste in the USSR's mouth. Especially since we built our entire space program around nazi scientists and technology lol.
23 Jul 2015, 04:53 AM
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Trust is a two way street, and the Soviets had every reason to be pissed about all the extreme anti-communist rhetoric coming out of the United States and Britain even when the Soviets were their allies.

A big part of the anti-communist rhetoric was due to the fact that the Soviet Army had not ceded much of the territory they'd taken during the way. Entire countries, notably Poland and part of of Germany, were still occupied by Soviet soldiers and puppet Governments sprung up declaring allegiance to the Soviet Union. It was clear to the West that the Soviets were not going to leave the territory they'd taken from the Germans, and the civilian populations of these countries often saw the Soviets as the new occupiers.


The west also really heeing and humming about prosecuting war criminals/nazi's put a really bad taste in the USSR's mouth. Especially since we built our entire space program around nazi scientists and technology lol.

The Russians just persecuted whoever they wanted for various reasons, real and fake. For example, hero Wilm Hosenfeld was tortured to death in a Soviet Prison a few years after the war ended on false charges. And of course the fact that the Russians also recruited Nazi scientists for the same reason the Americans did.
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