Soviet T3 need cost increase or Ost T3 cost reduction!

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 19:15 PMG4bb4_G4nd4lf

What if your opponent:

1. "Cleverly" sweeps your mines,
2. is not a total scrub / avoids your Pzfausts and
3. uses his light vehicles on your flanks?

#theorycraftingFTW

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 18:54 PMAlexzandvar

Ostheer players normally always go heavy T1 because you need to establish decent map control in order to stay in the game. Ostheer squads also drain your MP pretty heavily on the reinforcement costs so you tend to be really skint on MP early in the game making the 320 MP Pak a hard to achieve goal.

A smart player won't let you get in faust range, relying on that for countering an M5 or T-70 is laughable.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 15:59 PMIron Emperor

Kappa pak 40 thanks for mentioning. Mobile phone keyboard is too small OpieOP

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 13:31 PMdasheepeh

Its bad faction design when a faction is forced into turtling.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 21:18 PMGoldeneale

My usual build order goes:
1. MG42 X2
2. Gren
3. Mortar against SU, Sniper against USF
4. Hazy here, mostly floating MP as I wait for T2. I often tend to build a bunker or two during this period, though if my enemy has mortars I'll just get another Gren.
5. T2
6. Halftrack
7. Pgren and AT Gun, order depending on how the match is going.
8. I like to go Mobile Defense, so now I get Ostruppen to harass the shit out of the map.
9. T3
10. Ostwind
11. PzIV

Map control is rarely a problem, especially with the HT to ferry units around, as long as my central position is well placed. Once the Ostruppen come in things get even easier. I often face hordes of units coming from multiple directions, all bigger than my army, but there's nothing a good prepared position can't beat.

And if a T-70 isn't close enough to faust, then it isn't close enough to dodge my AT either.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2015, 13:02 PMPhy

A few games (before even patch release) are enough to claim for a nerf in this community.

Let's play a bit more and after that we talk. M5 is a crystal unit and hard to micro. Countering it can not be, in any case, too hard with pak40/faust/shrecks.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2015, 13:04 PMAlexzandvar

It's way easier to micro than the other AA HT's by a long shot.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2015, 13:24 PMAerohank

The Quad M5 AA halftrack is the easiest light vehicle to micro, there is nothing hard about it. It's fast, has blitz, has long range, fires on the move, suppresses infantry trying to chase it, doesn't have to deal with oorah, has small target size (hard to hit at long range with shreks), has to worry less about enemy mines than axis light vehicles. If the Quad M5 is considered "hard to micro" then units like the OKW Flak AA half track must be considered impossible to micro.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2015, 14:56 PMIron Emperor

This, you only lose it if you are micro'in other units and don't focus on the M5 or if you'll move it in plain stupid

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2015, 11:07 AMBlalord

Only 1 gren, good luck fausting something actually ...
With which unit are you taking map control, lonely gren or the pio ?