About the next patch. T70s are coming!

Mmmmm not so sure about OKW.

They were always special snowflake to the point I don't even care about mentioning it.

Every single balance post that is about general mechanics needs to have "except OKW" so we might just as well not say it at all.

Regarding fuel costs for all factions:

USF have to pay less for BAR/Zooks and only 10 more fuel for Major (if you go Captain > Major).

Soviets pay less fuel to reach T3 (50/40FU less depending on first tech) and only 30 more fuel to reach T4 (T1 > T3 > T4).

OKW stays the same.

Wehrmacht pays the same for T2, 40 more fuel for T3 (T1 > T2 > T3) and 20 more fuel for T4 (T1 > T2 > T4).

And soviet T3 don't have any medium tanks in it anymore.
I would say that's a good reason for price change.

Nothing to add until the patch shows up.

The thing is that Wehrmacht T4 isn't really a necessity.

If you think about it, OH T4 is somewhat a step above Allied top tiers. SU T4 is about medium armor (a generalist and a TD) and artillery. USF T3? Medium armor (one generalist, one TD) and artillery (which is actually just a Sherman HE shooter with more range and less durability).

Meanwhile, OH T4 includes a heavily armored tank hunter which can face pretty much anything with armor in the game meaningfully, a gigantic assault gun that destroys anything without armor, and a shitty artillery piece that, at one time, did a decent job softening enemy positions. In their T3, however, you find medium armor: one generalist, one TD, and a manraping flak tank.

If OH just stops at T3, while their enemies advance in tech, then the only thing their enemies will have which they won't is artillery, but the Allies aren't really that good at defending anyways, so their stock mortar can probably do the job.

Meanwhile, OH T4 contains unit which the Allied stock army simply doesn't. Allies don't have a well-armored stock tank hunter or a well-armored stock assault gun.

So why is it that everyone whines about OH T4 being out of reach? The Allies don't even have an equivalent tier, so be glad at least you have the chance to tech up and unlock units which are just plain better. If you think about it, it kind of does feel like OH gets an extra tier, when they have Panthers and Brummbars while the Allied stock is strangely devoid of things like the KV-1S or the Sherman Jumbo.

OH T4 is a luxury tier, an extra level above your opponents you can ascend to if you have the means, but in no way a neccessity. You can play effectively without it; I do it all the time. Clearly everyone else does too, considering how they constantly insist that T4 isn't worth it.

So don't complain about how your super-special luxury edition mega tier that your enemies don't even have is hard to get. If OH T4 had units which were absolute necessities, then I could see the argument. But as it is, the Allies seem to be stuck in the past while OH gets to pull out every cool late-war toy. The OH tech tree just plain goes further forwards, and that's why it's also the priciest.

The thing is that Wehrmacht T4 isn't really a necessity.

If you think about it, OH T4 is somewhat a step above Allied top tiers. SU T4 is about medium armor (a generalist and a TD) and artillery. USF T3? Medium armor (one generalist, one TD) and artillery (which is actually just a Sherman HE shooter with more range and less durability).

Meanwhile, OH T4 includes a heavily armored tank hunter which can face pretty much anything with armor in the game meaningfully, a gigantic assault gun that destroys anything without armor, and a shitty artillery piece that, at one time, did a decent job softening enemy positions. In their T3, however, you find medium armor: one generalist, one TD, and a manraping flak tank.

If OH just stops at T3, while their enemies advance in tech, then the only thing their enemies will have which they won't is artillery, but the Allies aren't really that good at defending anyways, so their stock mortar can probably do the job.

Meanwhile, OH T4 contains unit which the Allied stock army simply doesn't. Allies don't have a well-armored stock tank hunter or a well-armored stock assault gun.

So why is it that everyone whines about OH T4 being out of reach? The Allies don't even have an equivalent tier, so be glad at least you have the chance to tech up and unlock units which are just plain better. If you think about it, it kind of does feel like OH gets an extra tier, when they have Panthers and Brummbars while the Allied stock is strangely devoid of things like the KV-1S or the Sherman Jumbo.

OH T4 is a luxury tier, an extra level above your opponents you can ascend to if you have the means, but in no way a neccessity. You can play effectively without it; I do it all the time. Clearly everyone else does too, considering how they constantly insist that T4 isn't worth it.

So don't complain about how your super-special luxury edition mega tier that your enemies don't even have is hard to get. If OH T4 had units which were absolute necessities, then I could see the argument. But as it is, the Allies seem to be stuck in the past while OH gets to pull out every cool late-war toy. The OH tech tree just plain goes further forwards, and that's why it's also the priciest.

Thank you. +10

They were always special snowflake to the point I don't even care about mentioning it.

Every single balance post that is about general mechanics needs to have "except OKW" so we might just as well not say it at all.

Oh, I see. Then make OKW teching costs and whatever costs you want the same as for other armies. Oh, and remove fuel and amo penalties of course.

The thing is that Wehrmacht T4 isn't really a necessity.

If you think about it, OH T4 is somewhat a step above Allied top tiers. SU T4 is about medium armor (a generalist and a TD) and artillery. USF T3? Medium armor (one generalist, one TD) and artillery (which is actually just a Sherman HE shooter with more range and less durability).

Meanwhile, OH T4 includes a heavily armored tank hunter which can face pretty much anything with armor in the game meaningfully, a gigantic assault gun that destroys anything without armor, and a shitty artillery piece that, at one time, did a decent job softening enemy positions. In their T3, however, you find medium armor: one generalist, one TD, and a manraping flak tank.

If OH just stops at T3, while their enemies advance in tech, then the only thing their enemies will have which they won't is artillery, but the Allies aren't really that good at defending anyways, so their stock mortar can probably do the job.

Meanwhile, OH T4 contains unit which the Allied stock army simply doesn't. Allies don't have a well-armored stock tank hunter or a well-armored stock assault gun.

So why is it that everyone whines about OH T4 being out of reach? The Allies don't even have an equivalent tier, so be glad at least you have the chance to tech up and unlock units which are just plain better. If you think about it, it kind of does feel like OH gets an extra tier, when they have Panthers and Brummbars while the Allied stock is strangely devoid of things like the KV-1S or the Sherman Jumbo.

OH T4 is a luxury tier, an extra level above your opponents you can ascend to if you have the means, but in no way a neccessity. You can play effectively without it; I do it all the time. Clearly everyone else does too, considering how they constantly insist that T4 isn't worth it.

So don't complain about how your super-special luxury edition mega tier that your enemies don't even have is hard to get. If OH T4 had units which were absolute necessities, then I could see the argument. But as it is, the Allies seem to be stuck in the past while OH gets to pull out every cool late-war toy. The OH tech tree just plain goes further forwards, and that's why it's also the priciest.

So now can Relic plz buff the PzWerfer? And fix the Brumbar pathfinding?

The thing is that Wehrmacht T4 isn't really a necessity.

If you think about it, OH T4 is somewhat a step above Allied top tiers. SU T4 is about medium armor (a generalist and a TD) and artillery. USF T3? Medium armor (one generalist, one TD) and artillery (which is actually just a Sherman HE shooter with more range and less durability).

Meanwhile, OH T4 includes a heavily armored tank hunter which can face pretty much anything with armor in the game meaningfully, a gigantic assault gun that destroys anything without armor, and a shitty artillery piece that, at one time, did a decent job softening enemy positions. In their T3, however, you find medium armor: one generalist, one TD, and a manraping flak tank.

If OH just stops at T3, while their enemies advance in tech, then the only thing their enemies will have which they won't is artillery, but the Allies aren't really that good at defending anyways, so their stock mortar can probably do the job.

Meanwhile, OH T4 contains unit which the Allied stock army simply doesn't. Allies don't have a well-armored stock tank hunter or a well-armored stock assault gun.

So why is it that everyone whines about OH T4 being out of reach? The Allies don't even have an equivalent tier, so be glad at least you have the chance to tech up and unlock units which are just plain better. If you think about it, it kind of does feel like OH gets an extra tier, when they have Panthers and Brummbars while the Allied stock is strangely devoid of things like the KV-1S or the Sherman Jumbo.

OH T4 is a luxury tier, an extra level above your opponents you can ascend to if you have the means, but in no way a neccessity. You can play effectively without it; I do it all the time. Clearly everyone else does too, considering how they constantly insist that T4 isn't worth it.

So don't complain about how your super-special luxury edition mega tier that your enemies don't even have is hard to get. If OH T4 had units which were absolute necessities, then I could see the argument. But as it is, the Allies seem to be stuck in the past while OH gets to pull out every cool late-war toy. The OH tech tree just plain goes further forwards, and that's why it's also the priciest.

that goes both ways as well. Ost t4 is largely for bragging, but while it's there why keep the ost from getting it? it's more units for the player to play around well.

that goes both ways as well. Ost t4 is largely for bragging, but while it's there why keep the ost from getting it? it's more units for the player to play around well.

Because it's a luxury.

If OH was supposed to get T4 every game without some challenge, then it wouldn't have such powerful units which aren't reflected in other armies.

Just because a unit exists doesn't mean it should be used every game. Many strategy games have super units which are expensive and difficult to make, and they often only fit in certain strategies if things are going your way. I would say that OH T4 is similar to the OKW KT; they're expensive and you don't see them often. Axis players generally don't use them unless they have them in mind from the beginning or find themselves in an unexpectedly advantageous position.

You can go ahead and have your readily accessible T4 once we get an SU T5 (Iosef Stavka Worshipsky Command?) with KV-1S, ZSU-23, and SU-14-1.

Guys , the problem is when ost players skip to T4, they will lose to map control with only T1 and T2 units...Then the T4 units will hit the fields even later...

The real issue is the faction has no light tanks at all... Skipping to T4? How? With support of 222 and 251? Schrecks and pak40 can be pushed back easily by any infantry units supported by light tanks.

So the T4 cant be skip to easily. IMO everytime you must tech to T3 ASAP.

Guys , the problem is when ost players skip to T4, they will lose to map control with only T1 and T2 units...Then the T4 units will hit the fields even later...

The real issue is the faction has no light tanks at all... Skipping to T4? How? With support of 222 and 251? Schrecks and pak40 can be pushed back easily by any infantry units supported by light tanks.

So the T4 cant be skip to easily. IMO everytime you must tech to T3 ASAP.

They haven't been losing anything when going for tigers(which meant later armor).
They won't lose anything when going T4.

They'll fend off soviet lights the same way they were fending off M15.

The patch looks terrible. Axis got buffed and allies got nerfed. Is this the end of coh2?

The patch looks terrible. Axis got buffed and allies got nerfed. Is this the end of coh2?

But Axis players are saying the samething, the other way around

But Axis players are saying the samething, the other way around

As I've predicted over month ago, all the fanboys got butthurt over the changes

They haven't been losing anything when going for tigers(which meant later armor).
They won't lose anything when going T4.

They'll fend off soviet lights the same way they were fending off M15.

Going for tigers didn't involve dropping a few hundred manpower and fuel in tech first.

If you think an Ostheer player has even a remote chance to tech to T4 this coming patch in 1v1 you are out of your mind.

Going for tigers didn't involve dropping a few hundred manpower and fuel in tech first.

If you think an Ostheer player has even a remote chance to tech to T4 this coming patch in 1v1 you are out of your mind.

After playing them on alpha?

Yes. Not only you have a chance to tech to T4 in ONE VS ONE, you'll have easier time at doing so then you currently have.

I will admit that it is harder to get to t4. However, all tech got scaled back. T4 is more expensive because it is a special tier that gives access to nondoctrinal heavy armor. The pwerfer and arguably brummbar may be underperforming, but if the panther/ brummbar came too early, they would also break balance.

You can always tech up later in the game if you are floating fuel from not losing tanks. Allied factions don't have that choice.

After playing them on alpha?

Yes. Not only you have a chance to tech to T4 in ONE VS ONE, you'll have easier time at doing so then you currently have.

I doubt you have played at all. And even if you did, I doubt it would have been at a level where the balance changes would have made much of an impact anyway.

Nothing about the next patch makes it any easier to get T4 as Ostheer. The next patch only makes it harder than before. Good luck trying to save up all that manpower and fuel when you are getting wrecked by Quad M5s and T70s.