USF superglue on tanks

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 17:28 PMcomm_ash

Actually its bugged in two ways I believe. My crews seem to only be able to crit repair vehicles they just hopped out of (for whatever reason), making orphan crews only useful to repair to 100% (or have Thompsons )

I only try to save crews with vet, since vet is the only way you will be able to keep up with German lategame mediums and heavies.

Because bugs=balance, right?

1919s are more expensive and weaker then LMG42s.

I never said bars are bad, I said they aren't as cost effective as other weapons.

USF pintles are more expensive and less effective then ost pintles. Go check stats. Before you'll come up with "but squad difference", well that argument is worthless since OKW and USF were implemented.

Yes, skirts are great upgrades, they are also expensive ones. More expensive then what ost pays for AC to counter it.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 17:37 PMRollo

I would say American vehicles have the best survivability in the game, keeping USF vehicles alive is easy mode. I mean how often can you say you've had a vet 3 scout car or kubel reach the end of the game like an m20 can?

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 18:14 PMRocket

Currently though I agree with Kaitof USF are way to munition starved atm to raise the cost at all. Plus it is not always that easy to do you can easily have something go wrong and end up giving your sherman to the enemy and really bite you in the ass. Most the time you also have to use smoke from the sherman too to cover it while emergency repairing which cost more munitions.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 18:17 PMAlexzandvar

They are the same mostly except the .50 cal has better penetration. DPS wise they are very close with the .50 cal edging out ahead of OKW MG pintles and having slightly less than Ost ones. Stop trying to put words in my mouth.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 18:21 PMcomm_ash

It only currently costs 10 munitions, thats an insane bargain! Thats cheaper than a molotov (15mu). Ostheer has to pay 30 for bliztz and 45 for smoke (I believe, I don't know the exact cost, I just use the hotkey when it lets me ), and they are just as muni starved. Stating faction weaknesses, as I've said before is no reason to allow abilities to be completely overperforming for cost. 30 munitions is still a bargain, and I would say is a good cost because part of the cost is the risk of losing the crew.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 18:24 PMKatitof

How is .50 cal pintle higher penetration relevant for anything?
Does main cannon have trouble penetrating something that .50 cal pintle would help it with?
Does axis have any infantry with armor?

http://www.coh2-stats.com/small_arms/mg42_turret_mounted_pziv_mp

http://www.coh2-stats.com/small_arms/sherman_m10_m36_m2hb_50cal_mounted_tank_mp

Similar, but not "mostly same".
.50 cal is more expensive and delivers less DPS. Penetration is irrelevant, because they have main cannons if they need to penetrate something.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 18:34 PMAlexzandvar

They are literally 1 DPS apart, but there are subtle differences if you pay attention...

- .50 cal's better penetration can provide some extra "oomph" in dealing with light vehicles, always nice to have more DPS on the field when dealing with them.

- .50 cal doesn't need to reload as often, meaning your less likely to enter a fight and have the gunner go "hmm, I could have reloaded after the last fight but I think I will reload now when next fight is starting"

You make a good case for USF turret gunners to cost a little bit less, but I wouldn't say it's a waste at all.

Here's the OKW pintles btw;

http://www.coh2-stats.com/small_arms/mg42_turret_mounted_king_tiger_mp

http://www.coh2-stats.com/small_arms/mg42_turret_mounted_panther_wg_mp

both have less DPS than the .50 cal but almost cost the same because of OKW's munition income being reduced, but I'm sure you will make a case for them to get better when you have the time.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 18:44 PMcomm_ash

You can't use reduced income to change anything beyond tech costs. Why? Because reduced income is a way to force players to make choices, and to make it harder for them to use everything at their disposal. Otherwise, why don't OKW tanks cost less fuel than their counterparts in other factions? Why isn't the volk shreck/ nade less expense than they should be compared to other abilities?

USF pintle mg does not bring enough extras to be worthy of the 20 extra cost. The extra pen kinda makes sense, but there is exactly 1 unit where the pintle will deal enough damage fast enough to decrease TTK, and that is the wehr SC. Everything with more HP will still be alive long enough for the cannon to fire again.

You buy a pintle for it's AI performance, and even looking at the extras, the USF pintle shouldn't be 20 mu more than Axis pintles.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 18:54 PMNapalm

Would be nice if all repairs cost munitions and I believe some 31337 players have recommended this in the past.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 19:06 PMBeefSurge

USF vehicles are to be used extremely aggressively to make up for the fact that their infantry bleeds hard, and the faction lacks effective indirect fire. Autocrit repair enables this.

USF armor and MG upgrades ought to be 50 munitions each, and M20 crew should have 2 Bazookas.

And wtf can the MG42 kill the AA track?

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 18:59 PMAlexzandvar

Would make repairing for OKW essentially impossible.

EDIT: OKW has a lot of high health vehicles and not a lot of munitions.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 19:10 PMAlexzandvar

Fixing the bleed and filling the indirect fire holes are very much on the to-do list but neither of those things excuse the current absusable state of superglue.