How to counter grens with LMG as Soviets?

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 09:43 AMpussyking

Build sandbags? Are you guys joking? So much effort just to counter A-moving lmg grens.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 04:32 AMPorygon

It is so funny that Allies fanboys think 120 becomes trash while there is nothing change in its infantry killing power in-spite it is much cheaper.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 10:01 AMCruzz

80 damage, 25 damage at radius 2, 12.9 seconds per shot, 10 angle 10 max 0.1 distance scatter
80 damage, 28 damage at radius 2, 6.9 seconds per shot, 10 angle 8 max 0.08 distance scatter

Scatter values are better the lower they are.

Now then boys, which one is the super OP 120mm and which one is the clearly horrible Ostheer mortar?

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 10:01 AMCruzz

80 damage, 25 damage at radius 2, 12.9 seconds per shot, 10 angle 10 max 0.1 distance scatter
80 damage, 28 damage at radius 2, 6.9 seconds per shot, 10 angle 8 max 0.08 distance scatter

Scatter values are better the lower they are.

Now then boys, which one is the super OP 120mm and which one is the clearly horrible Ostheer mortar?

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 10:01 AMCruzz

80 damage, 25 damage at radius 2, 12.9 seconds per shot, 10 angle 10 max 0.1 distance scatter
80 damage, 28 damage at radius 2, 6.9 seconds per shot, 10 angle 8 max 0.08 distance scatter

Scatter values are better the lower they are.

Now then boys, which one is the super OP 120mm and which one is the clearly horrible Ostheer mortar?

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 10:19 AMcomm_ash

I'd say that's more a problem with the Ostheer mortar over performing than anything else. I see no reason why the MG42 costs the same as a maxim buts is much better, why the Ost mortar is so great for the same price as the shitty soviet 82mm, and why the Ost sniper is more survivable than the Sov sniper while retaining a higher ROF. But thats just me :}

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 10:09 AMchipwreckt

Ostheer mortar is better

Anyways, Im suprised no one suggested the M5 with Quad. Perfect vs gren heavy stats, get some mortars/ mines to protect it. Its a beast this patch, it reks everything, and is vet3 in 5mins. Its is a little to potent imo.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 10:09 AMchipwreckt

Ostheer mortar is better

Anyways, Im suprised no one suggested the M5 with Quad. Perfect vs gren heavy stats, get some mortars/ mines to protect it. Its a beast this patch, it reks everything, and is vet3 in 5mins. Its is a little to potent imo.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 10:19 AMCabreza

Does the 120mm even have an advantage over the 82mm anymore?

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 09:47 AMskemshead

Whats the point of asking for advice if you just rubbish what people say.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 10:19 AMcomm_ash

I'd say that's more a problem with the Ostheer mortar over performing than anything else. I see no reason why the MG42 costs the same as a maxim buts is much better, why the Ost mortar is so great for the same price as the shitty soviet 82mm, and why the Ost sniper is more survivable than the Sov sniper while retaining a higher ROF. But thats just me :}

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 10:19 AMcomm_ash

I'd say that's more a problem with the Ostheer mortar over performing than anything else. I see no reason why the MG42 costs the same as a maxim buts is much better, why the Ost mortar is so great for the same price as the shitty soviet 82mm, and why the Ost sniper is more survivable than the Sov sniper while retaining a higher ROF. But thats just me :}

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 11:49 AM__deleted__

Ostheer is more combine arms army

Also they dont get fast clown car , cos ptrs are better than gren lmg becuase of sniping and vehicle power , ostheer dont get medium call ins in infinite nubers , they can get only 1 tiger at time

Panzerwerfer is shit when we match it with katyusha , ostheer doesnt get cheap mines and demos that wipe capping suqads without having warning sign .

Also ostheer cant build heavy cover


There are many pros and cons in both of ostheer and russia , and i dont want to see russian with everything they have + potent mortars and mgs.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 11:54 AMcomm_ash

Pros and cons are one thing, but cost efficiency is also quite important. Ostheer can absolutely have the best of everything, but the costs associated with said weapons have to reflect their power.

I agree that Ostheer is far more reliant on combined arms than soviets or USF, but that is no reason for Ostheer to spend less on more. Even okw with reduced fuel income pays full price for tanks, despite them being more reliant on armor than ostheer. (Arguably)

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 12:13 PM__deleted__

Yes it is good idea to increase theyr cost but 1st please change somehow ostheer teching so they will be having mp just for something.
We all know how ostheer suffer from teching , and if we increase mg and mortar cost maybe only for 40 mp , people will start spamming lmg grens (even worse with cas resource distribution) and that is not what we want to see.

And im not fan of maxim buff because of poor OKW that is unable to defeat cost effectively buffed maxim spam at level of ostheer hmg42

And we all know russian mortars were only good becuase of precision and now are big shit comparted to ostheer one.

Ostheer sniper is another think but this is not thread for him , there is other thread for him.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 12:55 PMcomm_ash

Soviets have multiple counters to gren lmg blobs, you can use:

Mortars
Artillery (If not CAS)
Katyushas
SU76 barrage
M5 AAHT
T70
ISU-152
Demos
Mines

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 13:40 PMKatitof

Lets cross out the ones that axis players see as OP.


Well look at this.

I also marked the effective ones with different color.