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5 Jul 2015, 19:06 PM
#161
avatar of BeefSurge

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In their current state OKW doesn't need a medium. If their T0 got reworked I'd agree.
5 Jul 2015, 19:08 PM
#162
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In their current state OKW doesn't need a medium. If their T0 got reworked I'd agree.


Remove Sturmtiger from T3, replace it with something actually useful? :snfMarcus:
5 Jul 2015, 19:11 PM
#163
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When allies struggle in 4's its fine. But when you suck with okw its, Problem 1 2 3 4 and etc.

in your words "relearn" how to play.

A medium tank isn't gona solve shit if you struggle with these things now.

You lack suppressing, kool, pick one of the 2 commanders that grant you an mg34

You lack garrison clearing, fine, pick a commander with infiltration nades.

Struggle with mg's, kewl, flank like everybody else.

Every other faction must choose a commander to stay competitive, okw is no exception.



Unfortunately their is no single doctrine that has the MG34 and Infiltration grenade. So OKW still has problems with certain strategies, where many other factions get at least one decent non-doctrinal counter. The problem lies in this game going for combined arms, so when one faction has all the arms and the other doesn't it is bad design and leaves gaps for exploitation.
5 Jul 2015, 19:12 PM
#164
avatar of BeefSurge

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If it was an AI oriented medium like the PE one I wouldn't mind. But a jack of all trades medium defies the whole OKW flavor. (Just like Volks do.)
5 Jul 2015, 19:36 PM
#165
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If it was an AI oriented medium like the PE one I wouldn't mind. But a jack of all trades medium defies the whole OKW flavor. (Just like Volks do.)


So the Sturmtiger being useless is fine? Like the issue here is that ever faction has a generalist medium but OKW and it shows with how anemic OKW mid game is due to it.

Volks don't "defy" the faction flavor, they exemplify it. Units that are unwhelming to start but become excellent as the game progresses.
5 Jul 2015, 19:47 PM
#166
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This video is extremely funny because essentially CoH2 is nothing BUT foo strategies that people just swap as the meta demands :D


Agreed, and apart from OH there is like one or two ways to play if you want to win, for other factions. Unless you are StephennJF
5 Jul 2015, 19:49 PM
#167
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I mentioned all those things in my post? Like what is the point of this post. Iv never said Allies struggling in 4's is fine.

OKW lacking a generalist medium to bridge the gap between the PV and P2 is a thing.


You are getting a medium tank for OKW, you know this.
5 Jul 2015, 21:41 PM
#169
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So the Sturmtiger being useless is fine? Like the issue here is that ever faction has a generalist medium but OKW and it shows with how anemic OKW mid game is due to it.

Volks don't "defy" the faction flavor, they exemplify it. Units that are unwhelming to start but become excellent as the game progresses.


Faction mission statement is specialist units that scale into lategame with vet. Volks are not specialized at anything.

And no, Sturmtiger shouldn't suck. It should be buffed. Decrease reload time by a lot and increase range, voila.

And the "every other faction" argument doesn't really work because every other faction has 3 vet levels and HQ buildings restricted to HQ sector, among other things.

I'll rephrase:unless OKW goes through a pretty big re-think, versatile mediums should not be allowed. Instead buffing of other useless units should happen.
5 Jul 2015, 21:55 PM
#170
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Faction mission statement is specialist units that scale into lategame with vet. Volks are not specialized at anything.

And no, Sturmtiger shouldn't suck. It should be buffed. Decrease reload time by a lot and increase range, voila.

And the "every other faction" argument doesn't really work because every other faction has 3 vet levels and HQ buildings restricted to HQ sector, among other things.

I'll rephrase:unless OKW goes through a pretty big re-think, versatile mediums should not be allowed. Instead buffing of other useless units should happen.


OKW being a patchwork faction with a million exceptions to every rule is one of the reasons it's such a mess. The Sturmtiger shouldn't be a stock unit (it's way to specialized), and the huge gap between the PII and PV still needs fixing.

Bring OKW in line with the other factions should be the goal instead of continuing to twist ourselves into pretzels.
5 Jul 2015, 21:57 PM
#171
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Post #168 invised, for a reason which the poster will see from his notifications.

Please do not lose a sense of proportion when posting :)

Back to topic
5 Jul 2015, 22:02 PM
#172
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OKW being a patchwork faction with a million exceptions to every rule is one of the reasons it's such a mess. The Sturmtiger shouldn't be a stock unit (it's way to specialized), and the huge gap between the PII and PV still needs fixing.

Bring OKW in line with the other factions should be the goal instead of continuing to twist ourselves into pretzels.


So we agree: fix t0, and mediums will be fine.
6 Jul 2015, 00:53 AM
#173
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6 Jul 2015, 03:52 AM
#174
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Also, regarding game balance and how it relates to skill, this is a fascinating watch:



Good video.
6 Jul 2015, 14:37 PM
#175
avatar of Pin0

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Also, regarding game balance and how it relates to skill, this is a fascinating watch:



Basically everybody needs to watch this, before arguing over COH2 "strats/BO's/meta". vCOH had its share of FOO strats, but with skill (and a patch) they could be beaten.
On the other hand, watching (grown?) (wo)men argue on the internet about personal conflicts camouflaged with balance issues is fun too I guess?
7 Jul 2015, 09:10 AM
#176
avatar of Ful4n0

Posts: 345



So the Sturmtiger being useless is fine? Like the issue here is that ever faction has a generalist medium but OKW and it shows with how anemic OKW mid game is due to it.

Volks don't "defy" the faction flavor, they exemplify it. Units that are unwhelming to start but become excellent as the game progresses.


never saw you opening a thread about how useless was a SU-76, or about USF not having a Heavy, but hey, sturmtiger is useless (let´s go to post the same thing in every post I write, this is the fashion this week!!)

OKW don´t have a medium (let´s go to post the same thing in every post I write, this is the fashion this week!!)


Hey!! this is a thread about "statistic data and balance", but how cares!!!! sturmtiger is useless, OKW has no medium!!!


really shame that with more than 3000 post, all of them are useless and biased as hell.....you flood this forum with the same shit once and other....don´t you think you are disturbing the user experience in this web for a lot of people???


and then, "I´m trying to not be so biased lately, but all of you keep attacking me and not caring about what I write"

keep this way man, keep this way.....
7 Jul 2015, 11:25 AM
#177
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jump backJump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 09:10 AMFul4n0


never saw you opening a thread about how useless was a SU-76, or about USF not having a Heavy, but hey, sturmtiger is useless (let´s go to post the same thing in every post I write, this is the fashion this week!!)

OKW don´t have a medium (let´s go to post the same thing in every post I write, this is the fashion this week!!)


Hey!! this is a thread about "statistic data and balance", but how cares!!!! sturmtiger is useless, OKW has no medium!!!


really shame that with more than 3000 post, all of them are useless and biased as hell.....you flood this forum with the same shit once and other....don´t you think you are disturbing the user experience in this web for a lot of people???


and then, "I´m trying to not be so biased lately, but all of you keep attacking me and not caring about what I write"

keep this way man, keep this way.....

You forgot "reduced fuel income"
7 Jul 2015, 11:25 AM
#178
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7 Jul 2015, 12:36 PM
#179
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jump backJump back to quoted post7 Jul 2015, 09:10 AMFul4n0


never saw you opening a thread about how useless was a SU-76, or about USF not having a Heavy, but hey, sturmtiger is useless (let´s go to post the same thing in every post I write, this is the fashion this week!!)

OKW don´t have a medium (let´s go to post the same thing in every post I write, this is the fashion this week!!)


Hey!! this is a thread about "statistic data and balance", but how cares!!!! sturmtiger is useless, OKW has no medium!!!


really shame that with more than 3000 post, all of them are useless and biased as hell.....you flood this forum with the same shit once and other....don´t you think you are disturbing the user experience in this web for a lot of people???


and then, "I´m trying to not be so biased lately, but all of you keep attacking me and not caring about what I write"

keep this way man, keep this way.....


Iv mentioned that the SU-76 (previously) was shit, Iv said USF lacking tools the other factions have sucks. Strawmanning like this is dumb and obsessing over post histories just leads to shitposting circles that destroy threads.

Like, imagine if this patch an already anemic unit like the T34/76 got a nerf, that is were the Sturmtiger is currently sitting right now. It lost it's ability to destroy weapons taking out the feature that made it worthwhile.

You forgot "reduced fuel income"


Hmmm yes discussing faction features, obviously talking about USF vehicle crews indicates bias as well!

7 Jul 2015, 12:44 PM
#180
avatar of Tatatala

Posts: 589

Not what this thread is about, so I'll just leave this here...



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