Why is it only allied troops have smoke?

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2015, 01:32 AMRifleman89

All mortar teams have smoke. With all the emphasis on MGs being more effective on all sides, why is there no OKW and OH smoke for their troops?? Especially after T2 when riflegrenades are introduced? Seems odd that thebalanced scales are somewhat tipped on something so universal in all armies....

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2015, 01:32 AMRifleman89

All mortar teams have smoke. With all the emphasis on MGs being more effective on all sides, why is there no OKW and OH smoke for their troops?? Especially after T2 when riflegrenades are introduced? Seems odd that thebalanced scales are somewhat tipped on something so universal in all armies....

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2015, 01:35 AMHawking

(Not strictly true, Fallschrimjager and Obers get smoke at Vet 1, and a damned good smoke grenade it is!)
Elsewise, it just means that the Axis player needs to use combined arms to make these sort of assaults. Mortars provide the smoke cover just fine, IMO. And, honestly, giving Axis main-line infantry smoke grenades atop their other smoke options would be a colossal pain in the ass with the current meta as it is.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2015, 02:04 AMBeefSurge

I associate smoke with attacking, and both Axis factions infantry seem long range and defensive.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2015, 05:36 AMAerohank

Ostheer actually has more smoke options than the Soviets.

Ostheer:
- Mortar smoke
- Mortar halftrack smoke
- Stuka smoke drop
- Arty officer smoke drop
- Panzer tactitian

Soviets
- mortar smoke
- heavy mortar smoke
- shock trooper grenade

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2015, 05:36 AMAerohank

Ostheer actually has more smoke options than the Soviets.

Ostheer:
- Mortar smoke
- Mortar halftrack smoke
- Stuka smoke drop
- Arty officer smoke drop
- Panzer tactitian

Soviets
- mortar smoke
- heavy mortar smoke
- shock trooper grenade

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2015, 11:42 AMAlexzandvar

You have have at max 3 of those at the same time for Ostheer, with most meta commanders only having 2. For Soviets the majority of meta doctrines use Shock Troops or use the 120mm mortar.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2015, 12:05 PMricharddear

And what about it? As the Ostheer, you still have the capability of utilising lesser-known/played commanders. Infact, if you are worried about allied heavy mg play then go for it.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2015, 11:42 AMAlexzandvar

You have have at max 3 of those at the same time for Ostheer, with most meta commanders only having 2. For Soviets the majority of meta doctrines use Shock Troops or use the 120mm mortar.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2015, 12:39 PMAerohank

The 120mm is in 3 doctrines.
Shock troopers are in 6 doctrines, one of which shares the 120.
60% of soviet doctrines do not have access to smoke besides their 82mm mortar.

Stuka smoke drops are in 2 doctrines
Officers are in 4 doctrines
MHT are in 2 doctrines, one of which shares Stuka smoke drop and one of which has Panzer tactician
Panzer tactician is in 6 doctrines.
40% of Ostheer doctrines do not have access to smoke besides from their 80mm mortar.

Ostheer. Has. More. Smoke. Than. Soviets. More doctrines with smoke, more doctrines with 3 sources of smoke. They just don't need it (besides easy to use panzer tactician) because the only thing Ostheer needs to counter HMGs is assault them head on and fire vet2 rifle grenades from max range.

As other players have pointed out ITT that it's easier and more efficient to use rifle grenades and indirect fire to get rid of MG's. Which is why Soviets don't have a problem with MG's; they have a lot of indirect fire they can call upon.

OKW is really the only one that suffers due to lack of smoke, because the ISG is still waaay overpriced and outside that your only "breakthrough" arty options are 100 fuel (Stuka) or 160 (Sturmtiger).