Ostheer HMG too strong now

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2015, 18:53 PMsomenbjorn

Guys guys guys.. do you remember when Maxim was (correctly) nerfed and the Wehraboo crowd defended this action with "a 240 mp squad should not win over a 1000mp group". (Silly argument I know)

Im just wondering what those people think of the Mg-42.


(Yes I mostly agree with the mg-42 changes, Im just curious what the different fanboy factions are doing now)

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2015, 20:54 PMNosliw

A well designed RTS game will include units that punish unit blobbing and therefore poor play. Just look at starcraft. One high templar could kill 50 marines (50 min/150 gas templar vs 2500 min of marines) but no one would say templar is OP. They'd just say get good and learn to micro.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2015, 21:11 PMppsh41

the problem is okw can still blob but not allies, what's the point? bolb is late game not early game. relic can buff rockets

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2015, 18:39 PMRogers

The MG actually deals with blobs of cons, and somewhat rifles (they still have smoke) I am thankful for the new buff. It needed it to cut down on infantry spammers which were a majority of Allied players. Good change.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2015, 18:06 PMAustralian Magic

Flank MG-> Get ready to wipe it-> Realize there is another MG covering the one you flanked -> Notice that there is also sniper who snipes your rifles :foreveralone"


Von, can you upload your 7MGs strat?

It's not about how hard is to smoke. It's about how much micro and resources it requires to counter just MG, while OST can simply throw rifle nade vs 50cal.

Placing MG does not require any skills, but dealing with it with Rifles requires at least some skills, yet you cannot be sure you will flank it, since there may be another MG behind.

It's all about mortar for USF and OKW.

By the way, best HMG, best mortar, best sniper, best at gun,... What's next?

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2015, 22:04 PMSierra

Not trying to be a dick, but you could have doctrinally and non-doctrinally scouted the area before trying to close on that MG to wipe it. Might have avoided that whole "pinned by another MG covering the first" mess that you got yourself into.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2015, 22:27 PMThunderhun

Not trying to be a dick but having recon throught the whole stage of the game isnt a thing.

On topic: Mg-42s are fine against Soviets as they have plenty of tool to counter them. USF suffers from the MG-42s because it shuts down T0 and T1 (with AP rounds + tellers); having zero recon and early indirect fire is the biggest setback for USF. Also the huge sight on the pios prevent most of the flanks.

For those who say L2P;. show us your master skill

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2015, 20:54 PMNosliw

A well designed RTS game will include units that punish unit blobbing and therefore poor play. Just look at starcraft. One high templar could kill 50 marines (50 min/150 gas templar vs 2500 min of marines) but no one would say templar is OP. They'd just say get good and learn to micro.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2015, 22:45 PMBob Loblaw

Templar come out late as fuck, are a heavy resource investment, and are risky if you don't know what you are doing.

None of that is the case with the new MG42.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2015, 15:01 PMAlexzandvar

Remember snares don't work against full health vehicles now; so it's not hard to rush past a gren squad to get at a sniper.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2015, 22:30 PMSierra

If I'm not mistake there are doctrinal abilities that increase the USF Riflemen's line of sight exponentially as well as provide flares for riflemen to use.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2015, 23:04 PMNosliw

Then think about banelings punishing shitty micro. Banelings require baneling nest. MG42 requires T1 building. Is that a close enough comparison for you?

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2015, 23:08 PMsherlock

An at snare does 100 damage. The critical is applied if the vehicle drops below 75% of it's health pool. The check is done after the damage of the at snare is applied. This means all light vehicles (m3, stuart, luchs, m20, scott, greyhound, su76, etc.) will receive a damaged engine with the current system.

Only mediums and heavies do not receive engine damage if they are at full health.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2015, 23:21 PMBob Loblaw

Getting there. Except catching mass banelings with a helli push into fast expand with good micro will win you the game.

As USF you don't have the equivalent of that. You get Rifles upon rifles upon rifles, yay!